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OT - steroids
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:05 pm
by whoknows
Marion Jones gets 6 months jail sentence for lying in court about steroids usage. Not only she'll be away from her young kids but from a well respected athlete she's a desperate humiliated person.
We all know about the MLB-Mitchell report scandal.
Although NBA needs a different type of non muscular athlete, you've got to believe that some players must be "helping" their bodies.
I'm not aware of any which-hunt in NBA for potential usage of banned enhancement substances.
Do you see this a potential down-the-road problem for NBA as well?
Now this is a guy who overindulged on the juice:
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:07 pm
by The Letter V
Good god, that pic is ridiculous!
Re: OT - steroids
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:09 pm
by tecumseh18
whoknows wrote:Now this is a guy who overindulged on the juice:
(picture)
But didn't he deny it on "60 "Minutes"?
Kobe made some reference to bulking himself up at one point, and it hurt his mobility. It's hard to believe that D-12, Hump and Joey come by their bodies naturally, but I suppose it's possible.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:12 pm
by TorontoBaller
How bout Lebron.
That Man was huge at 19.
And I hear he's got a little pecker.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:20 pm
by dacrusha
Check out the bodies of today's average NBA player and then look at those of the greats of the 60s 70s and 80s. Those players from yesteryear look like a bunch of school teachers and garbagemen in comparison.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:22 pm
by whoknows
dacrusha wrote:Check out the bodies of today's average NBA player and then look at those of the greats of the 60s 70s and 80s. Those players from yesteryear look like a bunch of school teachers and garbagemen in comparison.
must be the HD television...
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:23 pm
by ilikecb4
whoknows wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
must be the HD television...
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:26 pm
by dirtybird
Just like hockey, basketball is probably in denial in the amount of players that use some type of anabolic steroid, HGH, or related substances. The common explanation is that it would take away their mobility/flexibility, but that's probably playing more to the stereotype of what these substances do.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:26 pm
by hksazn
some people will sacrifice the consequences to gain the chance to earn millions as an athlete.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNBjKWV65Qc
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:31 pm
by Nolan
dacrusha wrote:Check out the bodies of today's average NBA player and then look at those of the greats of the 60s 70s and 80s. Those players from yesteryear look like a bunch of school teachers and garbagemen in comparison.
that may be true but its a completely different game now. Back in the 60s 70s and 80s no one knew anything about offseason training or weight lifting. Now its how some guys get into the league ala Joey G, it doesn't have anything to do with Steriods.
Re: OT - steroids
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:49 pm
by hype_2004
whoknows wrote:Marion Jones gets 6 months jail sentence for lying in court about steroids usage. Not only she'll be away from her young kids but from a well respected athlete she's a desperate humiliated person.
We all know about the MLB-Mitchell report scandal.
Although NBA needs a different type of non muscular athlete, you've got to believe that some players must be "helping" their bodies.
I'm not aware of any which-hunt in NBA for potential usage of banned enhancement substances.
Do you see this a potential down-the-road problem for NBA as well?
Now this is a guy who overindulged on the juice:
(picture)
My opinion of usage of performance enhancing drugs on the pro-sports, The US government has no right to enforce and intervene in such an internal matter in regards to private league and oragnizations. This is nothing but a morality witch-hunt by the Feds on all accounts.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:49 pm
by dacrusha
Nolan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
that may be true but its a completely different game now. Back in the 60s 70s and 80s no one knew anything about offseason training or weight lifting. Now its how some guys get into the league ala Joey G, it doesn't have anything to do with Steriods.
You could say the same thing about every other sport as well.
But, then again, David Stern couldn't care less as the NBA's policy on steroids is little more than a joke:
Under the NBA policy, NBA players face no random testing at all once they complete their rookie year. They are only tested once each year, during their one-month training camp.
The policy also fails to cover a vast number of drugs. There are literally dozens of steroids and stimulants that are outlawed in Olympic competition that are still legal for use in the NBA. The policy fails to cover performance enhancers such as human growth hormone or EPO. And it fails to cover designer steroids.
And the NBA penalties are not strong enough to provide a significant deterrent. Penalties call for only a five-game suspension for a first violation, and only ten games for a second violation. Even for a fourth or fifth violation, players are only subject to a twenty-five game violation.
These penalties stand in stark contrast to the NBA penalties for street drugs, which call for a two-year ban for a first offense for a veteran player. Since use of steroids is both illegal and cheating, this disparity in penalties makes little sense.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:55 pm
by LLJ
I have always believed Lebron to be a user of performance enhancers.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:57 pm
by Raptorsrock
LLJ wrote:I have always believed Lebron to be a user of performance enhancers.
For me it's Tayshaun Prince. I mean it so obvious and blatant he's a user of the stuff
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:57 pm
by hype_2004
dacrusha wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The NBA as a private organization has the right to enforce their own policies regarding any matter pertaining to the use of any performance enhancing supplements, and if the owners/sharholder decide it is necessary to be more strict regarding policy than that is such an internal matter. I give major props to David Stern for not cavorting into the Feds pressure to intervene and investigate drug use amongst the players, as they have no right to enforce morality laws to any organizations,Is the US of A still a Democracy/Republic that adheres to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:58 pm
by whoknows
dacrusha wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
make no mistake...the biggest hurdle in having a stronger policy on steroids is not the league commissioner.
It is the player union!
True for all major leagues.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:00 pm
by dacrusha
hype_2004 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The NBA as a private organization has the right to enforce their own policies regarding any matter pertaining to the use of any performance enhancing supplements, and if the owners/sharholder decide it is necessary to be more strict regarding policy than that is such an internal matter. I give major props to David Stern for not cavorting into the Feds pressure to intervene and investigate drug use amongst the players, as they have no right to enforce morality laws to any organizations,Is the US of A still a Democracy/Republic that adheres to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
So you're saying that even though teams receive the benefit of handouts and tax breaks from the government they should still be immune from the law even after they profit by fielding teams full of cheaters?
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:03 pm
by LLJ
Raptorsrock wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
For me it's Tayshaun Prince. I mean it so obvious and blatant he's a user of the stuff
While we're playing this game (well, it seems I'm the only one who enjoys these games), how about T-Mac? He left Toronto a skinny kid...and then 4 months later in Orlando he was like 15lbs bigger!
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:07 pm
by hype_2004
dacrusha wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
So you're saying that even though teams receive the benefit of handouts and tax breaks from the government they should still be immune from the law even after they profit by fielding teams full of cheaters?
I'm a libertarian by nature, no private organizations deserve any bail-outs or hand-outs from Municipal/State/Federal level and yes if the said teams are benefitting from assistance whether they be from a private source/public source then they are obliged by law to answer to those people. The other independent teams that gets no financial assistance should get off the hook.
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:09 pm
by whoknows
hype_2004 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
The NBA as a private organization has the right to enforce their own policies regarding any matter pertaining to the use of any performance enhancing supplements, and if the owners/sharholder decide it is necessary to be more strict regarding policy than that is such an internal matter. I give major props to David Stern for not cavorting into the Feds pressure to intervene and investigate drug use amongst the players, as they have no right to enforce morality laws to any organizations,Is the US of A still a Democracy/Republic that adheres to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
Silly me, I thought that sports should represent fair play.
For those of you struggling to grasp the concept of fair play:
Fair play is a universally understood concept that is grounded in the principles of integrity, fairness, and respect including respect for others, respect for the game and respect of self. Fair play is one of the principle cornerstones of sport and is the essential ingredient impacting the moral development of athletes.
Fair play is a choice not only made by participants but also by coaches, trainers, officials, parents and sport administrators. Through positive sport experiences, participants learn about setting goals, working hard, and having fun. They learn to respect their own abilities, (and in team sports, those of their team-mates) and those of their competitors, and to value the effort of all participants, regardless of ability. When guided appropriately, athletes begin to realize that the joy of sport is as much in the effort as in the result.