enough is enough, time to give up on Bargnani as future C

nivisi9 · Post #1 » by **nivisi9** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:40 pm

I mean I think it's become quite clear that Bargnani can't be the center of the future alongside Bosh everyone(including myself) was hoping for. He honestly probably is the worse rebounder I have ever seen. Sorry but no up and coming franchise, hoping to one day contend for titles, could survive with this guy playing center everynight(especially on a team that is relatively soft and bad at rebounding to begin with) . Unfortunately I've even seen stats that prove Bargnani may be the worse rebounder of all-time! (ouch)

And no, this isn't a trade Bargnani thread, giving up on him now would be stupid, a huge waste, and get us little in return. It's time we realistically consider moving him to the 3. I know, i know, we've heard and talked about this before, how Bargnani is too slow and awkward, and how he would have trouble keeping up with opposing 3's. However, putting Bargnani at SF would allow him to park out at the 3pt line (where he's most comfortable) without having to worry about rebounding and other aspects of "being a center". Plus, you could always play a 2-3 zone (add another talented piece at the 5, who is really a 5) with potentially three 7 footers as your frontcourt, sound alot more imposing?

If you have read up to this point you may want to stop now! that is if you

RapsVC15 · Post #2 » by **RapsVC15** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:42 pm

No way in hell Jose fetches us a top 5 pick.

Post #3 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:42 pm

Enough is enough. Instead of starting a new thread dealing with the issues - try finding one of the 20 or so that have gone up over the last few days griping about Bargs' rebounding.

Post #4 » by **itbobby007** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:44 pm

Why is it that the draft always holds the answer to everything....

James699 · Post #5 » by **James699** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:48 pm

TJ11 wrote:No way in hell Jose fetches us a top 5 pick.

it could happen. Jose is one the best PG's in the league. Teams like Atlanta would do it straight up. It's a gamble I would take on a good center. Don't foget Grizzlies traded Shareef Abdur Rahim for a top 5 pick and they landed future franchise player Pau Gasol. :clap:

Fairview4Life · Post #6 » by **Fairview4Life** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:48 pm

itbobby007 wrote:Why is it that the draft always holds the answer to everything....

It resets the 5 year clock.

dacrusha · Post #7 » by **dacrusha** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:59 pm

BC should bookmark today's thread list:

Cut Bargs, sign Andre Barrett, trade Joey and Juan for Jayson Williams and Jose for Desmond Mason.

Get 'er done!

CreaM · Post #8 » by **CreaM** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:05 pm

I agree that Bargs is not our future Center but I disagree that he should move to the 3. I think he is best when he comes off the bench.

The Letter V · Post #9 » by **The Letter V** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:08 pm

nivisi9 · Post #10 » by **nivisi9** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:09 pm

I agree that Bargs is not our future Center but I disagree that he should move to the 3. I think he is best when he comes off the bench.

sure that sounds convenient......but 1# overall pick for a scoring PF off the bench who can't rebound, defend, or play big? I DON'T THINK SO!

Darrick Martin · Post #11 » by **Darrick Martin** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:10 pm

CreaM wrote:I agree that Bargs is not our future Center but I disagree that he should move to the 3. I think he is best when he comes off the bench.

werd.. backup to Bosh in conjunction with a big rebounding C

beefman · Post #12 » by **beefman** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:11 pm

really? after a month or two, its time to give up on a 23 year old player?

nivisi9 · Post #13 » by **nivisi9** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:14 pm

really? after a month or two, its time to give up on a 23 year old player?

R-E-A-D

And no, this isn't a trade Bargnani thread, giving up on him now would be stupid, a huge waste, and get us little in return.

C.Boshly · Post #14 » by **C.Boshly** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:21 pm

Can we afford to trade Jose considering how often TJ is injured? What happens if TJ has another scare and decides that it is not worth coming back next time?

Consider TJ's injury history the past 12 months. What happens if we trade Calderon and he goes down again in the playoffs?

IMO before this latest injury trading Calderon seemed inevitable. His performance as a starter and TJ's recurring stingers give me second thoughts.

MJallday59 · Post #15 » by **MJallday59** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:31 pm

It's not that the raps should give up on him, they should give up on him as being the go to scorer type (Right now). Before Dirk became "The Man" he played third fiddle to Nash and Finley. Two great vets who took him under their wing and showed him how to take over a game. Bargs doesn't have that yet... I think toronto needs to find a decent perimeter scorer who can teach Bargs and consistently make space for Bosh.

Blazer_2458 · Post #16 » by **Blazer_2458** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:04 pm

Giving up on Bargs would be what Portland did with Jermaine Oneal...

Webstersweb · Post #17 » by **Webstersweb** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:14 am

nivisi9 wrote:sure that sounds convenient......but 1# overall pick for a scoring PF off the bench who can't rebound, defend, or play big? I DON'T THINK SO!

Aren't you giving up on Andrea a bit too soon ? its been a season and a half.
When you say play big what do you mean ? do you even know what you're trying to say. Andrea is a decent defender from point of view and I believe he's a damn good job of holding his own considering his injuries and inconsistency of Sam mitchell.

I disagree with everything you've said in this thread from putting him to the 3 and not having to worry about rebounding ? how about the total rebounding woes of the team ?

I think putting him at the 3 would be the worst thing Sam mitchell could do at this point !!!

Hank_Scorpio · Post #18 » by **Hank_Scorpio** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:28 am

Enough is enough?

Tool.

Fairview4Life · Post #20 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:51 am

MJallday59 wrote:It's not that the raps should give up on him, they should give up on him as being the go to scorer type (Right now). Before Dirk became "The Man" he played third fiddle to Nash and Finley. Two great vets who took him under their wing and showed him how to take over a game. Bargs doesn't have that yet... I think toronto needs to find a decent perimeter scorer who can teach Bargs and consistently make space for Bosh.

I don't think that's an accurate recounting of the history of the Mavs.