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I've been racking my brain to see if it's ever happened?

Sam Perkins? I don't think he was a starter though. McHale had some moments shooting from 3, but it wasn't really what he did, he shot over 50% from the field for his career and was known for getting to the foul line. Wennington wasn't a focal point of the Bulls O but he had some decent range...not a 3 point shooter though, same with Longley. Smits had range and Hakeem, but the didn't really shoot the three. Vlade shot the three well early, but went away from it as his career progressed, and his teams became more successful, no rings though.

Recent memory picks of bigs with range: Bargs, Skita, Raef, Dirk...I think scouts GM often get excited about big men with gaurd skills, but I think, to be effective they need big man skills too.

Rasheed?

although Sheed did split time at C and PF with Big Ben during their run

zong wrote:Rasheed?

Rasheed can play in the post too. So he's not strictly a perimeter oriented big man.

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Rasheed can play in the post too. So he's not strictly a perimeter oriented big man.

and bargnani does the same...

frankly i think Bargnani's age isnt quite as similar to Sheed's when he got that ring, so its not really fair to put Bargs at the level of an ascended Sheed

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and bargnani does the same...

lol?

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lol?

spam?

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spam?

He quoted my post about Rasheed, stating Bargnani is the same. I'm not sure whether that's supposed to be a joke, or if he really believes that.

did i just see someone compare 'sheed to bargnani? oh man, people have to lay off the drugs...

perimeter centres don't exist. a centre is a person who plays in the low post. a lot of teams simply don't play with centres. bargnani may match up against the tallest/slowest player on the opposing team, but on offense, he's a small/power forward positionally...and the occasional three doesn't make a player a perimeter player...

It's a very modern type of philosphy...big men and jump shots weren't popular a while back, and now almost every big is trying to incorperate it into their repertoire. So it hasn't had that much time to develop on championship teams. But no, I really don't think so.
And this thread is going to go the wrong direction in a hurry...

Sheed's an excellent example, because that's how AB needs to play. AB can be his perimeter seld on offence, but he needs to play like a centre on defence.

Ironically, he's been much better at playing like a centre on offence. I guess it just takes time.

Jerry Lucas was close. He played center for the 73 Knicks who lost to the Lakers in the finals. He played a lot of his minutes on the perimeter, but he also averaged something 13 rebounds a game. The Knicks won the championship the next year, but Willis Reed was back from injury, and I can't recall what position Lucas played, but he did average 7.2 rebounds in 28 MPG.

Seattle in the late 70's with Jack Sikma. He had 3-point range. Thing is, Sikma could rebound and score on the block too.

The Isiah led Piston's on the late 80's had Bill Laimbeer as their Center. Great range but other offensive game whatsover and pretty much stapled to the floor. Of course he led the league in rebounding at one point and was an extremely physical defender so he's probably not the best comparison for Bargs.

I don't think that the problem is necessarily that Bargs is perimeter based on offense, it's that he is still very weak in most of the typical big man skills. Guys like Sheed, Laimbeer and Sikma weren't.

This is a new era, things are-a-changin. Dirk came pretty close.

I remember when we thought Hoffa was going to be our Bill Laimbeer.

GameBoy wrote:This is a new era, things are-a-changin. Dirk came pretty close.

How do you figure?

Dampier and Diop were/are the defensive-rebounding minded Centers on Dallas who got the assignments of guarding Duncan and Shaq in the post-season. Dirk is a full-time PF now just as he was 2 years ago when Dallas made their title run.

The only time Dallas experimented with Dirk at Center was the 2003-2004 season with a frontcourt of Walker and Dirk. Of course, that failed miserably as they had a sub-par regular season and bowed out in 5 to the Kings in the first round.

Simply NO. I a doubt has even won their conference playing that. You know why?

Because its a gimmick. It will only take you so far. You maybe be able to beat teams in the regular season when there is a day between games, you may be lucky to win a series or even two, but in the end its just a gimmick that good teams will easily beat. In a 7 game series against solid teams will eventually catch on.

I think its about time BC corrects his mistake, and try to build our team around Bosh/Calderon(TJ?). We have good fundation in them two, good role players on our bench. Correct your mistake and ship out Bargani while he still has value. It can only go downhill as his value is quickly dropping. I would make a move for legit center (potentially Noah + nice filler?).

The '98 Pacers were closer than most people remember. They took the Bulls to a game 7 in the ECF, which was no mean feat.

Rik Smits was quite perimeter oriented; but he had some mean PFs backing him up who were more than willing to do the dirty work.

Also, the Trail-Blazers came extremely close in 2001 with Sabonis, who spent most of his time behind the three-point line. But Sabonis was a tough guy despite his three-point shooting ways. He was basically (at that point of his career) a considerably larger version of Rasho with the ability to pass very well, and hit the three.

One interesting similiarity is that both of those guys were giants even by NBA standards. They could easily punish smaller players who tried to guard them.