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Why can't Delfino be our slasher?

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Why can't Delfino be our slasher? 

Post#1 » by Alfred » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:13 pm

Many people, up until his recent streak of incredible games, have been questioning Bosh's willingness to drive to the basket for buckets. Obviously, with his incredible play of late, and his desire to attack the rack consistantly, many of the Bosh critics have been silenced. However, although Bosh has been endeavoring to get to the line and get easy buckets, the rest of our team, other than TJ Ford (who is injured) have been hesitant to slash to the hoop or play in the post.

Even Moon, who has shown the ability to play above the rim, and Calderon, who has shown his ability to drive to the cup, have not been going inside much (although in Calderon's case, I can see why, with his jump shot being incredibly consistant).

Judging from the game against the Trailblazers (and also from having watched every game this year), good things happen when Carlos Delfino drives the ball. Although one of the biggest criticisms about Delfino has been his ability to finish at the rim, Carlos has a deft control of the ball which allows him to get past his defender and make plays for his teammates. The "finishing at the rim" criticism is also rather overblown by people; he completes a decent percentage of his attempts.

Here's an example of his passing and finishing abilities during the Portland game. Leo mentions it as well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V6D6strcBc

Like Bosh, Delfino's jumpshot should be used to compliment his slashing game, because both are too inconsistant to rely upon alone. Like many people encourage Bosh to get to the rim, I'm also encouraging Delfino to try as well! He is our best off-guard ballhandler, and one of the responsibilities of that position is to score the basketball. Delfino should be utilizing his ballhandling skills to get into the paint and take pressure off of the pointguard to create, and Bosh to score inside.

The point brought up in the most recent TSN grading article brings up a solid point. Delfino is relying on his jumpshot a little bit too much. Detroit fans have complained that Flip tried to cast Delfino as a shooter off the bench, and it seems that Sam Mitchell has giving him a bit more freedom here to do what he wants with the ball. I think that while that freedom has benefitted Delfino's game, I think that Sam should start trying to mould him into a more effective scorer. One of the areas that Sam and the coaching staff should be working on is Carlos' slashing game, getting him more confident in it so that it can become a consistant weapon in his arsenal.
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Post#2 » by Test of Wills » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:17 pm

I dont knoweither he loves to handle the ball and create his own plays...He shown times where he can slash to the basket effectively but hardly does it. He is more of a ball handler who could shoot the ball and create his own shot
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Post#3 » by Trilogy » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:20 pm

He's ok at doing it, but he's not a guy who can get to the rim at ease. He kind of catches people off guard when he does it.

Also, he's a poor finisher at the rim which hurts alot.

He's by far the best at this out of our wing players though.
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Post#4 » by Russ369 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:21 pm

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Post#5 » by Shaazzam » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:21 pm

he's a poor finisher
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Post#6 » by CreaM » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:22 pm

He is really bad at finishing in the lane and personally, I think he looks for his own shot way too much.
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Post#7 » by ansoncarter » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:23 pm

he's not a good enough finisher. He's got handle and moves but thats where it ends
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Post#8 » by The_Hater » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:23 pm

Delfino doesn't have the tools to be a great slasher/finisher AND the more he handles the ball, the worse his decision making gets.

He's best used as a defender (he's very good) who helps on the boards, shoots open 3's and picks his spots on offense.
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Post#9 » by Alfred » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:28 pm

Trilogy wrote:He's ok at doing it, but he's not a guy who can get to the rim at ease. He kind of catches people off guard when he does it.

Also, he's a poor finisher at the rim which hurts alot.

He's by far the best at this out of our wing players though.


Delfino doesn't get a lot of screens though, which would help him get into the paint. I think he really ought to be our primary ballhandler of the second unit, start getting more plays run for him like some pick and rolls, maybe multiple screens set to get him to the rim, etc.

I think too much of our ballhandling responsibilities fall to our pointguards in Sam's offense, which I think contributes to our offense stagnating. Having our other guards handle the ball once and a while would take a lot of the pressure off of the PGs, and with a slashing player, not have to settle for the jumpshot as much as we do.
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Post#10 » by James699 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:28 pm

if he isnt a slasher maybe we could trade Kapono for one. Or bring back JYD and waive DMART.
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Post#11 » by reptar15 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:30 pm

James699 wrote:if he isnt a slasher maybe we could trade Kapono for one. Or bring back JYD and waive DMART.



uh.... jyd isn't a slasher...
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Post#12 » by James699 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:35 pm

reptar15 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




uh.... jyd isn't a slasher...


I was just guessing from the videos I have seen on the internet. I actually started watching the team in 2004-2005 (Carter's last season). So this was the season right after they traded JYD and antonio davis to chicago for Rose and Marshall.
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Post#13 » by Deadpool_X » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:36 pm

reptar15 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-




uh.... jyd isn't a slasher...


LOL JYD is everything
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Post#14 » by Alfred » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:45 pm

The_Hater wrote:Delfino doesn't have the tools to be a great slasher/finisher AND the more he handles the ball, the worse his decision making gets.


It's odd that you say the more he handles the ball, the worse his decision-making abilities get. That doesn't really make sense to me. Is there some sort of stat where you measure the amount of time with the ball in relation to turnovers? While it's true that I've seen him make poor decisions with the ball, I have seen him make some pretty brilliant passes, even while handling the ball for a considerable amount of time.

Detroit fans were also aware of where Delfino's potential lay, and they believed Delfino was being used just as you described him:

He's best used as a defender (he's very good) who helps on the boards, shoots open 3's and picks his spots on offense.


That's how he was being used by Flip. Detroit fans thought that his ballhandling ability was a strength that was being underutilized. While I understand why they wouldn't defer to Carlos much in Detroit, I think that we actually have a need for that type of player here. Developing and encouraging Delfino in this area would help us see what type of potential he has there.

We just watched a game where Delfino was successful going to the basket, something we haven't seen out of him much this season. What I want to see is more of that. Half of the time when Delfino takes a shot, he could be driving to the basket.

Delfino's ability to finish at the rim is NOT worse than his shooting ability. If I had to choose between Delfino attempting to finish at the rim, or take an outside shot, I would probably favor the play at the rim. Even if the play at the rim isn't there, he could kick it back out to one of our multitude of shooters on the perimeter. He's been one of the only players who looks to get Kapono shots, and many of those plays come from drives to the basket.

We need players to go to the basket more, so I don't think it's a bad idea to encourage one of our best ballhandlers to get to the rim more often.
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Post#15 » by AfricanSensation » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:54 pm

Man I saw Salmons yesterday and he is exactly the type of slasher we need. He is Fino with a finishing touch...
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Post#16 » by Alfred » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:57 pm

AfricanSensation wrote:Man I saw Salmons yesterday and he is exactly the type of slasher we need. He is Fino with a finishing touch...


Argh. I know. But our general manager did everything within his power to bring Salmons into our organization. He's just a dumbass. What can you do?
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Post#17 » by James699 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:57 pm

AfricanSensation wrote:Man I saw Salmons yesterday and he is exactly the type of slasher we need. He is Fino with a finishing touch...


We were going to get him. HOwever he had "second thoughts" of coming here, thats why we signed Fred Jones after that and traded him for Dixon.
Salmon's "second thoughts" were probably that he soon discovered Toronto was in Canada and freaked.
So basically while we are supposed to have Salmon, we are stuck with Dixon. :nonono: Lol
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Post#18 » by The_Hater » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:59 pm

Alfred wrote:It's odd that you say the more he handles the ball, the worse his decision-making abilities get. That doesn't really make sense to me. Is there some sort of stat where you measure the amount of time with the ball in relation to turnovers? While it's true that I've seen him make poor decisions with the ball, I have seen him make some pretty brilliant passes, even while handling the ball for a considerable amount of time.

Detroit fans were also aware of where Delfino's potential lay, and they believed Delfino was being used just as you described him:


I don't think that Delfino is without potential, he already does several things very well. I just don't think that he a crafty, get-to-the-rim type slasher nor is he a guy that draws a lot of fouls going to the hole (the mark of any great slasher).

As for my comment about him handling the ball, I don't think that he has a bad handle just that he stiil makes some very poor decisions and tends to get selfish and take bad shots. Plus he ends up breaking away from the offense too often in those situations. For that reason I'd like to see him handle it less, not more. I think his shot selection is his biggest weakness right now and that tends to get really bad when he puts the ball down and tries to create. If you look at his 2-point % on 82games.com, it's really bad. He's just as accurate on a catch and shoot 3-pointer as he is trying to create something closer to the rim.

Basically, while he might be a better slasher than Parker, Graham and Kapono, It's still not part of his game that I want to see him turning to more often.
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Post#19 » by Marlowe » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:00 pm

He can't finish but he seems to handle the ball really well and has pretty decent passing skills. Can anybody recall if Mitchell has used Delfino at PG during TJ's absence? Was he any good? Has Delfino played PG before prior to his NBA career?
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Post#20 » by mihaic » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:06 pm

I agree that the coach should stress that both Moon and Delfino should slash more.

It is a good strategy and a nice changeup from our regular game. IMO, it is especially more important when Calderon is the PG as TJ compensates for the lack of slashing from our wings.

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