Raptors sucked tonight, not just Bargs.

[Theta64]

Theta, we can all make our points of view known without an attack on others with a different view point. This is a warning.

The whole team played one pathetic lousy excuse of a basketball game today. After the half, the whole team just decided they earned their pay and called it quits, including Bosh.

Detroit is a top 3 team in the league, and have the best veteran group of players playing together. Tonight, they simply man-handled the young Raptors, who as a group still have long way to go. Making any trades, or signing free agents will not improve our team, until Bosh establishes himself as the teams dominant vocal leader, who will speak his mind, and motivate his teammates on the court, and continual push them to better themselves.

Detroit has Wallace, Spurs have Duncan, Phoenix has Nash, and Boston has Garnett. Until Bosh establishes himself as this teams consistent vocal leader, Toronto will not beat the elite teams on a regular basis.

Stop singling out Bargs, and his "slow" development. Detroit is the superior team right now, and we simply lost to them because our team leader was simply scared, or whatever it was, his mentality rubbed off on everyone else.

Bargs gets a pass from this game!

[Trilogy]

Bargs gets a pass and from the sounds of your post Bosh doesn't.

If anyone on this team has deserved to be cut a little slack it's Bosh.

He does seem to be the leader of this team, along with TJ when he was healthy.

I'm not saying Bosh played well this game, but you attack people for getting on Bargs and then attack Bosh in the same manner. Seems hypocritical.

Bargs doesn't really deserve a pass either, he's been disgustingly bad this whole season, not just this game.

[Yosemite Dan]

Bargs should make his way to Wonderland because from management and some fans he's been given a season's pass.

[Illuminati]

Cut Bosh some slack

[EnigmaticProblem]

Bargnani had a better rebounding rate than Bosh tonight. . .

He missed his 4 shots, but, I'm sure he'd have caught fire were he allowed to continue playing. . .

[Darrick Martin]

Other guys need to step up as well, Bosh simply can't go 40 pts, 20 rebounds each game

[Basketball_Jones]

More than anything on this board, the most disgusting thing IS the Bosh bashing. Only a blind man couldn't see the strides he has taken with this team as a leader on and off the court.

[Theta64]

Bargs gets a pass and from the sounds of your post Bosh doesn't.

If anyone on this team has deserved to be cut a little slack it's Bosh.

He does seem to be the leader of this team, along with TJ when he was healthy.

I'm not saying Bosh played well this game, but you attack people for getting on Bargs and then attack Bosh in the same manner. Seems hypocritical.

Bargs doesn't really deserve a pass either, he's been disgustingly bad this whole season, not just this game.

I am saying that when your team leader is scared of the opposition, that mentality rubs off onto your other players, and consequently everyone starts playing sub-par.

I am not attacking Bosh, I simply said that Bosh didn't come to Detroit with a winning mentality, and his influence affected everyones mentality. And of course Bosh should take more of the heat for this loss. He is the teams leader, and has 3 more years of experience. All leaders are judged more harshly (except if you work for the US gov't), so why shouldn't Bosh.

A lot of fans need a scape goat for losing games, and I just find it irritating that Bargs is usually the one. Heck, we should consider him a rookie this year, after all, he is learning a new position right?

[Harry Palmer]

Had the others played really, really well, and we had won the game, wouldn't it then have been inappropriate to talk about Bargs' poor play because we won?

There is now virtually no time when it won't be the wrong time to talk about Bargs poor play.

NOT when he plays poorly and we win.
NOT when he plays well and we lose.
NOT when he plays well and we win.
NOT when he plays poorly and we lose.

[Illuminati]

Had the others played really, really well, and we had won the game, wouldn't it then have been inappropriate to talk about Bargs' poor play because we won?

There is now virtually no time when it won't be the wrong time to talk about Bargs poor play.

NOT when he plays poorly and we win.
NOT when he plays well and we lose.
NOT when he plays well and we win.
NOT when he plays poorly and we lose.

Sir, you get tenses around apples.

Give Bargs 5 years, the saviour BC said so ehhe.

[Theta64]

More than anything on this board, the most disgusting thing IS the Bosh bashing. Only a blind man couldn't see the strides he has taken with this team as a leader on and off the court.

I love Bosh, he's my favorite player on the team. But lets face it, he did not come to win tonight. And maybe its unfair that he should have to bear so much weight, but we all know he is more than capable, so it just makes me sad as a fan, when I see him playing lousy, and was sick of the 10 Bargnani bashing threads created after tonights loss.

[from24ft]

The one thing I noticed was that Detroit went on huge runs when Andrea was in. Rosho seemed to have the opposite effect.

I agree that Bosh had a bad game. These things do happen. Detroit has traditionally been a challenge for him.

[xAIRNESSx]

We need to send Bargs to the D-League.

[Trilogy]

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I am saying that when your team leader is scared of the opposition, that mentality rubs off onto your other players, and consequently everyone starts playing sub-par.

I am not attacking Bosh, I simply said that Bosh didn't come to Detroit with a winning mentality, and his influence affected everyones mentality. And of course Bosh should take more of the heat for this loss. He is the teams leader, and has 3 more years of experience. All leaders are judged more harshly (except if you work for the US gov't), so why shouldn't Bosh.

A lot of fans need a scape goat for losing games, and I just find it irritating that Bargs is usually the one. Heck, we should consider him a rookie this year, after all, he is learning a new position right?

Bosh is in a position where he does take more heat for losses. He is the key to our franchise. He did play poorly. I do understand where you are coming from.

But, Bosh has shown the ability and mentality to attack an opponent relentlessly in the past. For some reason, he really struggles against Detroit alot, and he needs to step up here. But, I think he floats a little sometimes because we ask him to do SO much for us. He needs some help. With someone there to take the pressure off of him, we'd probably see a more consistently aggressive Bosh.

There are alot of reactionary fans here, but anyone reasonable wouldn't scapegoat losses on Andrea himself. He has been a fairly big contributing factor towards some losses though. Not directly in making a specific boneheaded play but that he isn't producing at a level that we need and expected from him going into the season.

I admit playing Centre is very tough for him (I am of the opinion that the Bosh-Bargs combo is a really bad fit) but he's just been terrible in most aspects of his game this season. He's making baby steps, but he's just a horrible fit here and I think he should be shipped out when his value rises again.

I'm fairly confident that Bargs playing at the 4 next to a defensive 5 would really help him out and he would flourish into a good player. I don't think he's got superstar in him though. I think he's a Okur type of talent to be perfectly blunt.

[Basketball_Jones]

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I love Bosh, he's my favorite player on the team. But lets face it, he did not come to win tonight. And maybe its unfair that he should have to bear so much weight, but we all know he is more than capable, so it just makes me sad as a fan, when I see him playing lousy, and was sick of the 10 Bargnani bashing threads created after tonights loss.

Sometimes guys play lousy, it happens to the best players in the league. It doesn't take away from what they do as leaders, and Bosh has been a decent one. Blaming this teams incapability to move to the upper status of the entire NBA on Chris Bosh is narrow minded. Even Kobe can't get out of the first round. However, I'm sure you were just mad at all the Bargnani hate and didn't really mean it.

[Illuminati]

We need to send Bargs to the D-League.

You're being serious!

[from24ft]

I loved what Andrea brought to the game in his first shift. He has looked quite good in his initial shifts.

This is why I lean to the notion that he gets winded later in games. For instance the attempt close to the rim looked very forced like what you would expect when your heart rate is up and you

[Double Y]

Had the others played really, really well, and we had won the game, wouldn't it then have been inappropriate to talk about Bargs' poor play because we won?

There is now virtually no time when it won't be the wrong time to talk about Bargs poor play.

NOT when he plays poorly and we win.
NOT when he plays well and we lose.
NOT when he plays well and we win.
NOT when he plays poorly and we lose.

Actually, your post shows quite clearly your bias as well as your agenda. In two of those situations, it would be rather inappropriate to criticize Bargnani. I think you can figure out to which am I referring....

On the other hand, specifically this game, there is no reason not to be critical of Bargs. Just because the rest of the team played like garbage, doesn't excuse AB from playing like garbage. This is one of those games where every player should be called out, as it was a collective team collapse. However, in their defence, they were clearly playing a superior team that just dominated them. I don't think you can single out Bosh, as he had little to no help.

Face it, guys, we clearly got beat by a better team. If we want to be taken seriously, all of the players need to get better or we'll need some better players.

[TDGlenmanor]

bargs usually brings his game against sheed

[James699]

trade bargs for Marcus camby and a draft pick.