Jose IS our starting point guard?

Los Manos · Post #1 » by **Los Manos** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:46 am

With Calderon's sublime point guard play since recieving starters minutes, is it now time to officially annoint him as our starting point guard? Any questions over how he would handle starters minutes seemed to have been answered. He is recieving widespread respect throughout the league for his play and even tonight the kings announcers agreed that even if he doesn't make the all-star game this year, he will in years to come. His efficiency has been just as high as off the bench inspite of his doubling minutes. The raptors braintrust have the rest of the season to evaluate Calderon however look into your crystal balls and answer me this:

With TJ coming back in a few months, do the raptors give Jose the starters job to lose both now and in the future and shift their trade/free agency targets to surround Bosh & Jose(with his half-court oriented game), rather than Bosh & TJ(with his uptempo, frenetic style)?

raptorsfan1985 · Post #2 » by **raptorsfan1985** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:47 am

Man get the hell out of here.

- WARNED for attacking the OP

The Letter V · Post #3 » by **The Letter V** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:52 am

Come on. Nobody else reply to this topic.

WARNED for backseat moderating ~= to IBTL

Los Manos · Post #4 » by **Los Manos** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:54 am

The Letter V wrote:Come on. Nobody else reply to this topic.

I actually thought it was a legitimate question! oh well, can't win 'em all...

vaff87 · Post #5 » by **vaff87** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 2:57 am

I don't think he should be, not at all. While Jose has played well, I thought it's become pretty obvious while TJ's been out how much the Raps need him.

Nia · Post #6 » by **Nia** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:00 am

I wonder, if ever Raps fans can enjoy the team winning without Stupid threads and polls like these.

Kosta · Post #7 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:03 am

vaff87 wrote:I don't think he should be, not at all. While Jose has played well, I thought it's become pretty obvious while TJ's been out how much the Raps need him.

Yeah, it would have been the same with Calderon out, the reason we miss him so much is because it kills our depth and forces us to rely on guys like Dixon and Martin. We need both of our points going full force, hopefully we can play Caldy at the 2 as well when Ford gets back to get both of them more minutes together.

As for the question, yes, I believe he should continue to start even when T.J gets back.

rdtx2005 · Post #8 » by **rdtx2005** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:03 am

Rule #1 in professional sports: you never lose your 'job' due to an injury.

TJ will eventually come back.. and when he does, he'll backup Jose until he is ready to be the starter on this team again.

but again.. all the starting PG means is that your name is announced on the PA system.. if both players get 30+ minutes.. who cares who is the starter?

Post #9 » by **Schad** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:03 am

I'm one of Ford's biggest supporters around here (in voice, I mean, not height), and still think that Calderon has to start after Ford returns. Just like it made no sense to hand the reins over to Jose while Ford was playing well early in the season, it makes no sense to disrupt the current starting line-up unless they start to struggle.

Kosta · Post #10 » by **Kosta** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:05 am

rdtx2005 wrote:Rule #1 in professional sports: you never lose your 'job' due to an injury.

TJ will eventually come back.. and when he does, he'll backup Jose until he is ready to be the starter on this team again.

but again.. all the starting PG means is that your name is announced on the PA system.. if both players get 30+ minutes.. who cares who is the starter?

Not happening unless we decide to play both of them at the 1-2 for stretches.

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan · Post #11 » by **theonlyeastcoastrapsfan** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:07 am

rdtx2005 wrote:Rule #1 in professional sports: you never lose your 'job' due to an injury.

TJ will eventually come back.. and when he does, he'll backup Jose until he is ready to be the starter on this team again.

but again.. all the starting PG means is that your name is announced on the PA system.. if both players get 30+ minutes.. who cares who is the starter?

That's far from the number one rule in pro sports.

rdtx2005 · Post #12 » by **rdtx2005** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:07 am

Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Not happening unless we decide to play both of them at the 1-2 for stretches.

WARNING: That was worthy of Captain Obnoxious! - TD

rdtx2005 · Post #13 » by **rdtx2005** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:07 am

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

That's far from the number one a rule in pro sports.

usually does when it pertains to injuries.

alysomji · Post #14 » by **alysomji** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:07 am

One of them will be traded for sure. Let's hope TJ returns and finishes the season strong.

BC basically said on the radio today that he will definitely re-sign Calderon.

The_Hater · Post #15 » by **The_Hater** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:10 am

This thread is certainly going to derail pretty quick...

Grizzled · Post #16 » by **Grizzled** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:10 am

Yes, and there are two issues that tip this decision imo. He is playing at very high level and doing it consistently, but just as importantly TJ

vaff87 · Post #17 » by **vaff87** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:13 am

Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Yeah, it would have been the same with Calderon out, the reason we miss him so much is because it kills our depth and forces us to rely on guys like Dixon and Martin. We need both of our points going full force, hopefully we can play Caldy at the 2 as well when Ford gets back to get both of them more minutes together.

As for the question, yes, I believe he should continue to start even when T.J gets back.

Actually, we don't know that. While you're most likely right, the Raps haven't played enough games without Jose to say that for certain. I personally think TJ would average about 19 and 10 or so if he was playing the 37+ minutes Calderon is playing right now.

I don't think Jose should continue to start for the following reasons:

1. it changes what we were previously successful with. We don't know what the dynamic of Jose starting and TJ coming off the bench would be like for an extended period of time. Starting TJ with Jose backing him up has been very successful.
2. TJ is a significantly better defensive player
3. TJ can create shots and bail out the offense when it isn't going smoothly(like the Celtics game early this year)
4. TJ has the most confidence and swagger on the team.
5. I just think TJ is the better overall player

TPF · Post #18 » by **TPF** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:14 am

Sam should just start both TJ and Jose at the beginning tip just to stop people from all this talk -- and then sub one of them off.

But I can see fans then starting threads, "TJ VS JOSE: Who should Sam sub off first?"

Los Manos · Post #19 » by **Los Manos** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:14 am

The_Hater wrote:This thread is certainly going to derail pretty quick...

This isn't about who is a better player, it is simply a hypothetical asking who do you think the raptors braintrust will go forward with as the starting point guard when they make trade/free agency decisions?

alysomji · Post #20 » by **alysomji** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 3:18 am

Los Manos wrote:This isn't about who is a better player, it is simply a hypothetical asking who do you think the raptors braintrust will go forward with as the starting point guard when they make trade/free agency decisions?

I don't think anyone in the brain trust has any plans to hand over the team to a player who hasn't shown he can stay healthy - and who could, quite frankly, decide to retire at any point within the next few years.