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Upon TJs Return...

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:55 pm
by AVC
Somewhat premature, but for discussion's sake...

Naturally the TJ vs Jose debates will resume.

The immediate return should intuitively put TJ on the bench to backup Jose as starter. I think this will really work cause it won't disrupt the present starter chemistry. Given Bosh, Jose and AP have improved their scoring, I don't think TJs value will show as a starter cause our boys are scoring.

Coming off the bench he can spark the occasionally stagnant second unit by breaking down defenses and scoring himself. Here is where we need a kick to really build on leads and put teams away. We have lost a few games with our inability to maintain pressure with the second unit. Also, his draw and kick speed may finally unleash Kapono's potential from the three.

Finally, working against 2nd unit PGs and teams will help him get his feet and NBA game back.

Of course, as time goes by and the two PGs show equal production, the decision to change the starter may come up given the Big Money TJs earning. But if things roll smoothly, can they continue to keep him on the 2nd unit?

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:00 pm
by Jimmy The Greek
Edit: uhh, yeah. Probably not the analogy I would havae gone with.

-Schad

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:00 pm
by bill russell
If TJ is back and he's still TJ, I think they'll want him to start because he gives the offense a dimension or two that Jose doesn't bring. That's nothing against Jose -- I'm repeating what I believe to be the company line.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:04 pm
by Gimpy
My buddy and I were arguing about this the other day.

He believed that with the way Calderon has been playing that there is no way TJ should come back and get the starting job. He feels that Calderon has earned the starting job for the rest of the year.

My problem was that I could see TJ agreeing to come off the bench for 1 to 2 weeks. But once he was comfortable again he would demand the starting role.

Sam will have to give TJ his starting role. There is no other way to go about it. Jose can come off the bench and be fine. I think TJ would cause problems if he wasn't the starter.

As for the saleries, who cares. I highly doubt that Sam starts (or even plays) people based on their paycheck.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:07 pm
by Consequence
Why do you think TJ would cause problems if he is not given the starting job back?

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:10 pm
by hksazn
this has been done at least 2 times already we all know tj is going to come off the bench until its time to put him back in the starting line up. This shouldn't be anything new to you guys.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:13 pm
by rdtx2005
you should never lose your starting job due to an injury

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:19 pm
by youngLion
Jimmy The Greek wrote:Edit: uhh, yeah. Probably not the analogy I would havae gone with.

-Schad


Hahaha I really want to know what this analogy was now.

With regards to the OP, I disagree. I think TJ NEEDS to start when he comes back. Supposedly he's been 100% physically for some time now, but he hasn't been totally right mentally. Therefore, if he gets demoted as soon as he comes back I think that could really hurt his confidence. TJ won't need to find his legs, he says he's physically fine. What he needs to do is get used to leadings this team again.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:20 pm
by dTox
At first TJ should and would come off the bench, maybe for a week or two, but once he gets back to being the regular TJ, he will automatically gain his starting role, simply because he's naturally more talented and brings more to the table than Jose.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:20 pm
by The_Hater
I have a feeling that TJ is going to come off the bench for the rest of the season. Not because he's lost his job (he was playing very well this season) but because I think they're going to want to protect their investment and moniter his minutes.

On the flip side, if Jose is the guy they ultimately want to deal through sign and trade or otherwise. By continuing to give him the bulk of the minutes it will only help to increase his trade value.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:23 pm
by Jimmy The Greek
Jimmy The Greek wrote:Edit: uhh, yeah. Probably not the analogy I would havae gone with.

-Schad


What was so bad about my 'analogy'...?

Admit it was funny! :oops:

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:49 pm
by mintsa
rdtx2005 wrote:you should never lose your starting job due to an injury


Tell that to Drew Bledsoe and the NEw England Patriots......LOL


Never say never.


PS: I also think TJ should start again.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:55 pm
by rdtx2005
mintsa wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Tell that to Drew Bledsoe and the NEw England Patriots......LOL


Never say never.


PS: I also think TJ should start again.


well.. i don't think you are equating Tom Brady to Jose Calderon now.. are we? ;)

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:06 pm
by Morris_Shatford
rdtx2005 wrote:you should never lose your starting job due to an injury


Tell Wally Pipp that,

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:20 pm
by HighOctane
If TJ understands his new role to play 'safer' like Colangelo told him to, I'm guessing he might play as backup pg. As OP suggested, it would be good for him to play against the 2nd liners. If he could replicate what Calderon did on the 2nd line that would prove he can come back.

Thing is, he can demand the starting, and Calderon will just get out of the way.

Jumping back into starting is not a good idea, but a gradual one perhaps. As Hater also pointed out, Calderon's trade value increases.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:23 pm
by mintsa
I highly doubt he would jump right back into the starting job. His last stinger he got against dallas, when he came back he did not start right away. So I doubt this will be any different.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:23 pm
by rdtx2005
cosmostein wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Tell Wally Pipp that,


Wally Pipp

Claim: Lou Gehrig's consecutive game streak began when the Yankees' regular first baseman, Wally Pipp, sat out a game with a headache.

Status: False


The Tom Brady/Drew Bledsoe one is more believable.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:26 pm
by omeloon
It'll probably be better for him coming off the bench anyways. He works real well with Kapono and Bargnani. I'm guessing we'll all be real glad to see those three getting minutes together.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:36 pm
by Ackshun
simple. jose needs to continue to hit his jumpers.

maybe we can finally see them on the floor together, productively.

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:38 pm
by Ill Mago
I think TJ is the perfect sixth man, and i'm not some euro Jose fanboi.

His frenetic, stop and go, catch me if you can style would be an instant spark off the bench, one we haven't had since 06-07 'Drea