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Smart GM's buy low and sell high

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:46 pm
by DerrickRose23
I also like the thought of trading a pick like ours this year and turning it into a Tyrus Thomas a top draft pick last year. Good teams are able to exploit struggles of players like Thomas/Morrison and turn it into a big gain for them..

If the raps indeed want to sell Bargnani they have to rebuild his value in the league somehow.. I think a Kapono for Morrison Trade or a Draft pick for Morrison or Moon for Morrison Trade would be a smart trade to make

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:50 pm
by The_Dark_One
Adam Morrison is a bust.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:54 pm
by disoblige
#1 rule in stock market 101. everyone knows this

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:56 pm
by mintsa
Kapono and Morrison's salaries dont mactch....couldn't be done.

I belive Moon's i slower as well and wouldn't match.

Re: Smart GM's buy low and sell high

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:56 pm
by Yuri Vaultin
DerrickRose23 wrote:I also like the thought of trading a pick like ours this year and turning it into a Tyrus Thomas a top draft pick last year. Good teams are able to exploit struggles of players like Thomas/Morrison and turn it into a big gain for them..

If the raps indeed want to sell Bargnani they have to rebuild his value in the league somehow.. I think a Kapono for Morrison Trade or a Draft pick for Morrison or Moon for Morrison Trade would be a smart trade to make


Good teams do buy low and sell high... The problem with Morrison is that their may not be too much in the way of improvement coming his way - it would be like Utah trading for Hoffa and then having him slip even more into sub-medicrity.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:58 pm
by The Notic
mintsa wrote:Kapono and Morrison's salaries dont mactch....couldn't be done.

I belive Moon's i slower as well and wouldn't match.


Morrison + Othella would work.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:58 pm
by Webstersweb
morrison for moon or a draft pick ???

the whole idea of buying low and selling high only applies when the player being traded for is worth trading for. I'm sorry what can Morrison give us that our current players cant. I'd much rather keep moon than trade for Morrison, not to say moons better (which he although might be and has shown a lot more in one season than Morrison has in two).

and as for trading a pick for Morrison, do we really need another swingman ?

I mean Kapono, Parker, Moon, Delfino, dixon (playing the 2). Why add another swingman. I mean given Dixon isn't exactly the most important role player but at least he's getting paid relatively less (I think) right ?

"If the raps indeed want to sell Bargnani they have to rebuild his value in the league somehow"

I get where you're coming from.......... oh wait no I don't.
What gives you an idea that Raptors are trying to trade Bargnani?

as in the whole idea of buying low and selling high, I'm sure Colangelo has done enough to prove that he knows how to buy low.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 4:58 pm
by asif9t9
I'm not sure why the suggestion about Morrison. He doesn't give us what we need (rebounding, tough D). In fact, your suggestion about giving up Moon means we'd be giving up some of what we need.

But if the OP is just looking for agreement about, "buy low, sell high". Umm, yeah.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:02 pm
by crzycnk62
hmmm and i bet dumb GM's buy high and sell low..totally obvious

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:03 pm
by Webstersweb
^^ yup.. it wouldn't make sense to trade for morrison

Although, trading a late pick for Tyrus Thomas ? thats a risk I think Colangelo would make. Doubt the bulls do it though

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:04 pm
by ponder276
Tyrus Thomas is definitely someone I'd trade for, but I have virtually zero interest in Adam Morrison.

edit: Chicago need a scoring big. Tyrus Thomas + Aaron Gray for Bargs? Would Chicago do that?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:22 pm
by raptorscam
Good teams acquire the best players they can given their resources. They realize that if you look back at the busts of the drafts, guys who look like disappointments and whose teams are willing to give up on them, typically end up being crap (the vast, vast majority of the time). If someone goes looking to "buy low" they are likely to end up with mostly subpar players on their team. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck (or in Hoffa's case, runs like a duck), it probably is....

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:28 pm
by TDGlenmanor
Moon for Morrison?

We have come to a point where we can add Moon to our "core" group of players, meaning he is untouchable in most trade scenarios, this being one of them.

Morrison has no place on this team.

A guy like Bynum, Bogut or Beidrens would be nice, and I would be willing to part with say, Humph+Juan+Joey

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:29 pm
by Kush
If we are going to invest in rarely used talent from another team than let it be someone with potential like Corey Brewer.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:38 pm
by The Notic
Kush wrote:If we are going to invest in rarely used talent from another team than let it be someone with potential like Corey Brewer.


Minnesota likes him. From what I've read, the coaches are trying to get him to completely reconstruct his jumpshot and it's going to take a while for him get use to it at NBA speed.

Plus, if you saw his play in Summer League, specifically playing against Rudy Gay, you'll see that Minnesota has too much invested in him to ever give him up.

Corey Brewer is going nowhere, and more on topic, his stock with Minnesota hasn't really changed since draft day.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:51 pm
by ponder276
TDGlenmanor wrote:A guy like Bynum, Bogut or Beidrens would be nice, and I would be willing to part with say, Humph+Juan+Joey

Is this a joke, or simply the most homer post of all time?

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:59 pm
by T.Duncan21
People here are acting like it's common sense. The theory is but actually using it isn't. Players like Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Ron Artest and so forth were all had because everyone in the NBA had pretty much counted them out. Lets look at Baron Davis, his value was at an all time low and no one wanted to touch him... I was saying that we should go after him because we wouldn't have to give so much to get him but everyone thought the gamble was too great. He was basically had for Dale friggin Davis and some other expiring contract. He has changed that franchise's fortune around by leading them to the playoffs for the first time in a long time. The same goes for Vince, Allen Iverson and many other guys that get trashed because they're in a poor situation or because of their health. It takes a GM with balls, and some foresight to be able to acquire a player at a time who's getting trashed by the majority and make people shut up. And of course, there's always some portion that is sheer luck like Vince's and Baron's Injury problems becoming less of a factor but in the end, you have to be willing to take the risk if u wanna live by the "Buy Low, Sell High" motto because you can end up with players like Araujo who you bought low and then their value gets even lower after acquiring him.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:04 pm
by The Notic
T.Duncan21 wrote:People here are acting like it's common sense. The theory is but actually using it isn't. Players like Baron Davis, Allen Iverson, Vince Carter, Ron Artest and so forth were all had because everyone in the NBA had pretty much counted them out. Lets look at Baron Davis, his value was at an all time low and no one wanted to touch him... I was saying that we should go after him because we wouldn't have to give so much to get him but everyone thought the gamble was too great. He was basically had for Dale friggin Davis and some other expiring contract. He has changed that franchise's fortune around by leading them to the playoffs for the first time in a long time. The same goes for Vince, Allen Iverson and many other guys that get trashed because they're in a poor situation or because of their health. It takes a GM with balls, and some foresight to be able to acquire a player at a time who's getting trashed by the majority and make people shut up. And of course, there's always some portion that is sheer luck like Vince's and Baron's Injury problems becoming less of a factor but in the end, you have to be willing to take the risk if u wanna live by the "Buy Low, Sell High" motto because you can end up with players like Araujo who you bought low and then their value gets even lower after acquiring him.


Great post.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:04 pm
by PharoaheMonch
TDGlenmanor wrote:Moon for Morrison?

We have come to a point where we can add Moon to our "core" group of players, meaning he is untouchable in most trade scenarios, this being one of them.

Morrison has no place on this team.

A guy like Bynum, Bogut or Beidrens would be nice, and I would be willing to part with say, Humph+Juan+Joey



It's funny how you say "I'd be willing to part with Hump, Juan and Joey" as if you're doing those teams a favour. One of TJ, Jose or Bargs (if the GM is dumb enough) would have to be involved to try to get one of those guys.

I hope to god you were being sarcastic.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:06 pm
by Maximillion
T.Duncan21 wrote:It takes a GM with balls, and some foresight to be able to acquire a player at a time who's getting trashed by the majority and make people shut up.


We have that guy...now all we (the fans) need is patience.