How about this offseason?

[isyed]

We are set at about 55 mil this offseason. If we can renegotiate with Rasho to Opt out and go for a longer maybe 3 or 4 year deal at 4 mil per we save a further 4 mill this offseason. Both Delfino and Jose count less with their qualifying offers. If we are really interested in more cap space we can try and dump Hump along with Baston and Kapono along with a future pick to get around 10- 12 mill under the cap.

I think this offseason might be a great place to start looking for someone liek Deng and Iggy. I know it seemed very unliekly in the offseason and it still does but i think the situation in Chicago has gone bad with the whole Trade Kobe deal and with Iggy with all the loosing. We can use our pick this offseason and maybe a future pick to sing and trade for those players. I know they are restricted but if they want to move what better place for them to go then us?

[Indiana Jones]

i don't foresee a lot of action this summer, other than resigning caldy and delfino and drafting a big man...summer after that could be big though...

[steve101]

4 more years at Rasho well into his 30's? no thanks.

Ever since BC got here its been clear the summer of 09' is where we make that final major move that puts us into contention. With the cap room we either make a big FA signing or we also have the capability to take on a large contract of good player.

[mihaic]

i don't foresee a lot of action this summer, other than resigning caldy and delfino and drafting a big man...summer after that could be big though...

It is not highly improbable to deal some expirings before that, nicely packaged against a resigned Calderon or a recovered Ford.

[Indiana Jones]

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It is not highly improbable to deal some expirings before that, nicely packaged against a resigned Calderon or a recovered Ford.

i agree that that is a possibility, but one that i think is far less likely to occur than simply using cap space to sign a key free agent...

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i agree that that is a possibility, but one that i think is far less likely to occur than simply using cap space to sign a key free agent...

I vehemently disagree. Cap space for a key free agent is a crap shoot. You roll the dice and hope one really good player wants to come to you versus some sun team in a tax-free state. BC played the sun state card when he was at PHX, but he can't play it the same way here. Trading expirings, making multiple moves over the next 2-3 summers, is the better and more certain way to improve the team. You watch.

[Shaazzam]

I vehemently disagree. Cap space for a key free agent is a crap shoot. You roll the dice and hope one really good player wants to come to you versus some sun team in a tax-free state. BC played the sun state card when he was at PHX, but he can't play it the same way here. Trading expirings, making multiple moves over the next 2-3 summers, is the better and more certain way to improve the team. You watch.

Yeah we really need to get guys that are already signed under contract and then once they get immersed here, we can resign them. It's a tough sell to compete against other teams for players.

Added: That's one reason why I always look at the Team USA angle as well. That's one of the few ins we have with players, obviously guys like Wade and Bron Bron do too, but not everyone has a US national team player. CB4 can work on dudes, and he seems to be a pretty team oriented guy that others would want to play with.

[MJ23DREAMER]

Why would you want to carry a player with diminshing returns for extended years for the sake of possibly saving a luxury tax hit? His salary coming off of the books next year is a great leverage and benefit to the Raps in both the case of a trade or with his salary coming off of the books!

Renegotiating his deal I don't think is even possible anyway (have to check the CBA). BC is still planning for the year after to make any significant moves. His big (re)signings wil be to get Jose and Carlo under contract.

[DarkKnight]

There is no cap room, this year or next year, unless you find a way to eliminate Rasho from the books following this season.

This has ben covered in many threads already, but with Jose's extension (expected to be at least 7 mil per, possibly more) and delfino's contract (3-4 per probably) plus hump's extension (probably 3-4 again), there just isn't cap room unless rasho is off and you can sign someone BEFORE you sign Jose (going over the cap using bird rights to sign Jose). Only sign and trades are possible to bring in these high-priced guys.

From a previous post:

So for 09/10, the raps have to pay:

Bosh 15.8
TJ 8.5
Kapono 6.2
Bargnani 6.5

It is speculated that Hump will make about 3-4 next year, so lets put him at 3.5

They then have to figure out what to do with Moon/Parker/Delfino/Graham. If they are truly looking to sign an expensive swingman, you would have to assume he's going to play 33-38 minutes, so you really only need to keep 1-2 of these guys with Kapono on the roster. I would say that keeping Parker and Delfino makes the most sense from a basketball perspective. Say Parker at 4.5 million (same as 08/09) and Delfino at 5 million (100% increase). They would also have to sign Jose, who I'm going to say gets 7 million in year two but with escalators. This would give us some flexibility.

That would be 8 guys under contract (2 pgs, 3 swingmen, 3 bigs) for a total of 57 million. Assume it takes about 4 million bucks to fill spots 10-15 on the roster, and you have 61 million without this new addition. On average over the last 5 years, the cap has risen 3 million per year, so for 09-10 it would be at about 62 million. That means:

No FA signings! Except for MLE/ LLE type stuff.

I would say that the Raptors only real chance to compete in the free agent market is actually this summer rather than next. It would probably need to be sign and trade unless they find a way to move some combination of Rasho/Garbo/Baston/Joey for nothing. You'd package, say Rasho and Joey with this years #1 and a future #1 and try to pick up and extend a big-time wing player. Then you can re-sign Calderon with Bird Rights.

Calderon's contract essentially prevents us from having cap room in 09/10.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

There is no cap room, this year or next year, unless you find a way to eliminate Rasho from the books following this season.

This has ben covered in many threads already, but with Jose's extension (expected to be at least 7 mil per, possibly more) and delfino's contract (3-4 per probably) plus hump's extension (probably 3-4 again), there just isn't cap room unless rasho is off and you can sign someone BEFORE you sign Jose (going over the cap using bird rights to sign Jose). Only sign and trades are possible to bring in these high-priced guys.

From a previous post:

So for 09/10, the raps have to pay:

Bosh 15.8
TJ 8.5
Kapono 6.2
Bargnani 6.5

It is speculated that Hump will make about 3-4 next year, so lets put him at 3.5

They then have to figure out what to do with Moon/Parker/Delfino/Graham. If they are truly looking to sign an expensive swingman, you would have to assume he's going to play 33-38 minutes, so you really only need to keep 1-2 of these guys with Kapono on the roster. I would say that keeping Parker and Delfino makes the most sense from a basketball perspective. Say Parker at 4.5 million (same as 08/09) and Delfino at 5 million (100% increase). They would also have to sign Jose, who I'm going to say gets 7 million in year two but with escalators. This would give us some flexibility.

That would be 8 guys under contract (2 pgs, 3 swingmen, 3 bigs) for a total of 57 million. Assume it takes about 4 million bucks to fill spots 10-15 on the roster, and you have 61 million without this new addition. On average over the last 5 years, the cap has risen 3 million per year, so for 09-10 it would be at about 62 million. That means:

No FA signings! Except for MLE/ LLE type stuff.

I would say that the Raptors only real chance to compete in the free agent market is actually this summer rather than next. It would probably need to be sign and trade unless they find a way to move some combination of Rasho/Garbo/Baston/Joey for nothing. You'd package, say Rasho and Joey with this years #1 and a future #1 and try to pick up and extend a big-time wing player. Then you can re-sign Calderon with Bird Rights.

Calderon's contract essentially prevents us from having cap room in 09/10.

Hump's already signed a 3 year extension for 9 mil I believe.

[DarkKnight]

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Hump's already signed a 3 year extension for 9 mil I believe.

He has signed an extension but no numbers were released.

[BigBob13]

Not even related to the numbers aspect of the discussion...but why would we want to make a splash now? Our core isn't ready to take that next step to the elite. Bosh is Bosh, but TJ has been gone for 24 games, Andrea is still 2nd year, the only exception is that Calderon has been playing out of his mind. I still think that our core needs that one year of development before the next big step in their evolution as players. Summer of '09 when we need that one big player to help us get over the hump and when our core is ready makes more sense.

[Shaazzam]

If you have an opportunity to upgrade, you seize it.

It might not come around when you want it to.

[The Answer!]

He has signed an extension but no numbers were released.

2008-09: $3,108,808
2009-10: $2,782,383
2010-11: $3,108,808

Courtesy from here.

[isyed]

Not even related to the numbers aspect of the discussion...but why would we want to make a splash now? Our core isn't ready to take that next step to the elite. Bosh is Bosh, but TJ has been gone for 24 games, Andrea is still 2nd year, the only exception is that Calderon has been playing out of his mind. I still think that our core needs that one year of development before the next big step in their evolution as players. Summer of '09 when we need that one big player to help us get over the hump and when our core is ready makes more sense.

Agreed. But the bottom line is you look at opportunites and work towards them. Similar to BC going after Nash and Kobe few years ago. He saw the opportunity and went for it. He had an idea that the Mavs werent willing to resign him for as much as he was going to ask for and he took that gamble.

I think the opprtunity exists right now. Both Iggy and Deng are having issues with their current teams. Yes both are restricted and will need a whole lot of cash to sign them. Its either that or we send sweetners like first round picks to make a move. Their worth is very debatble and anything less than 12 mill will easly be matched by their teams but if their exists an opportunity where the player is unhappy they might push the GMs hand to move them yet get some sort of compensation.

I doubt Paxson or the Philly Gm woudl do this as they have the upper hand but if we gamble and see how bad things go with these 2 teams then who knows. We might even be willing to slightly overpay them but it puts us into the contending bracket. We immidiately become the 3rd team after Boston and Detroit.

Bargs
Bosh
Deng/Iggy
Parker
TJ/Jose

Gives us a legit slasher/rebounder/scorer and defender.

To do any of this like i mentioned earlier Rasho's contract will have to be negotiated, Kapono might have to be moved along with Garbo, Baston and Joey. Dixon will be kept. Our selling assets would be future 1st picks and Hump.

We might struggle this year but it gives us a great opportunity to improve this offseason immediately. The cap hold of Jose and Delfino combined is going to be less than 5 mill. Which helps us further.

Throw 12 mill contract at Iggy or Deng then negotiate with Bulls and Paxon to trade our first this year (which will be 15-20) and a future 1st.

[isyed]

Some expiring Contracts this year team wise:

Atlanta

Lu- 3.5 mill
Wright- 3 mill
Johnson- 3 mill

Cavs

Newble- 3.5 mill

Nuggets

Najera - 5mill

Pistons

Brezec and HUnter - 5 Mill

Miami

Jwill - 9 mill
Ricky Davi- 7 mill

Milwa

Voshkul - 3 mill

Doleac - 3 mill

Nets

Magloire - 4 mill
Nachbar - 2.5 mill
Wright 1.5 mill

Knicks

Fred Jones- 3 mill

Magic

Carlos Arroyo - 4mill
Pat Garrity- 4mill
Keyon Dooling- 3.5mill
Evans - 1.8 mill

Sixers

Gordan Giricek 4 mill
Kevin Ollie 3.5mill

Spurs

Barry - 5.5mill
Horry - 3.6 mill
Finely 3mill
Elson 3 mill

Sonics

Thomas - 9 mill

Wizards

Jamison

16 mill

[ilikecb4]

I wonder if we could do a sign n' trade with chicago..

offer Rasho's expiring contract, some other crap players like dixson for luol deng...

that way Chicago would have enough cap space, expiring contract

adn we'd get way better

Bosh+Deng+Forderon=Championship

[isyed]

Out of these we can remove some common sense teams like the Sonics, Sixers and wizards.

We have the following remaining with their cap space in total

Atlanta- 9.5
Cavs- 3.5
Nuggets- 5
Pistons- 5
Miami- 16
Milwa- 3
MInny- 3
Nets- 8
Knicks- 3
Magic- 14
Spurs- 15

Our current assets which we need to trade to get under the cap are:

Group 1
Kapono - 18 mill left over 3 years
Garbo - 9 mill left over 2 years

Group 2 Assets
Hump - 9 mill over 3 years
Baston - 2 mill over 1 year
Joey - 2 mill over 1 year
2 Future firsts

The first group is what will provide us with the cap space. The second group can be used as assets to move them.

Just by looking at what we have certain teams can be written off. Teams who are trying to rebuild and would like to keep their cap space or make no sense trading thsoe players such as Nets, Mil, Cavs, Minny

We are left with:

Atlanta- 9.5
Nuggets- 5
Pistons- 5
Miami- 16
Knicks- 3
Magic- 14
Spurs- 15

Spurs and Pistons are 2 teasm who might be interested in both Kapono and Garbo. They like to build their teams with vets like Garbo or they can use Kapono fpr the playoffs. They are good enough defensive teams to hide Kapono in their systems. Atlanta might be concerned about saving money with issues their ownership is having yet they need some vet help to get them inot the playoffs. Not sure if Garbo is that. Big if is his health.

Nuggets might go after someone like Kapono to shoot off Anthony and Iverson drive and kicks. Miami probably has no interest and would rather let this space expire and go after Brand or sue their pick and the space to go after another star player. We can scratch them off. Knicks have too small od a expiring contract to matter too much. Magic are very interesting. They have good shooters in Turk and Rashard but not sure if they would still be interested with Kapono.

So we have:

Atlanta- 9.5
Nuggets- 5
Pistons- 5
Magic- 14
Spurs- 15

[isyed]

I wonder if we could do a sign n' trade with chicago..

offer Rasho's expiring contract, some other crap players like dixson for luol deng...

that way Chicago would have enough cap space, expiring contract

adn we'd get way better

Bosh+Deng+Forderon=Championship

Not gonna happen. Why would they take on Rasho's contract. Only reason they do this is Wallace is going the other way which is not going to happen.

[isyed]

Some POssible trade scenarios with the remaining teams:

Atlanta- 9.5
Nuggets- 5
Pistons- 5
Magic- 14
Spurs- 15

Atlanta

Wright and Lue for Garbo and Hump

Nuggets

Kapono + Joey for Najera

Pistons

Garbo + future First(or Hump) For Hunter and Brezec

Magic

Kapono(Or Garbo) + Baston +Joey+ Future first for Garrity + Arroyo +Evans

Spurs

Kapono + Baston + Future 1st + Joey for Barry + Horry

In the case of Spurs and Magic we would Buyout Horry and Arroyo so they could go back to their old teams.

The Spurs trade doesnt make too much sence. Perhaps drop baston and move Kapono and furture 1st for Barry only.