Kapono or Delfino need to start over Moon

PrinceV · Post #1 » by **PrinceV** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:43 am

I like Moon's game, but his shooting has been inconsistent all year. One of the things I like about him is defensive side to him.

With Moon's inconsistent shooting in the starting line-up, it allows other teams to double Bosh, or close the lanes to stop any dribble penetration. I think one of the reason BC brought in Kapono was to spread the floor and allow Bosh to operate in the post.

Moon's defender is allowed to double up on the ball, because of Moon's inconsistent shooting and lack of driving to the basket.

IMO...I like to see Delfino to start, because he drives to basket a little more than Moon and isn't afraid of contact.

What do you guys think?

Grizzled · Post #2 » by **Grizzled** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:01 am

PrinceV wrote:I like Moon's game, but his shooting has been inconsistent all year. One of the things I like about him is defensive side to him.

With Moon's inconsistent shooting in the starting line-up, it allows other teams to double Bosh, or close the lanes to stop any dribble penetration. I think one of the reason BC brought in Kapono was to spread the floor and allow Bosh to operate in the post.

Moon's defender is allowed to double up on the ball, because of Moon's inconsistent shooting and lack of driving to the basket.

IMO...I like to see Delfino to start, because he drives to basket a little more than Moon and isn't afraid of contact.

What do you guys think?

Delfino is maddeningly inconsistent too, but he

The_Hater · Post #3 » by **The_Hater** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:18 am

Funny timing considering that Moon was one of our best players tonight and one of only 2 players that even bothered to show up in the 1st half.

Meanwhile Delfino was awful for the most part tonight. A complete ballhog who spent most of the night killing the offensive ball movement. And Kapono was his usual one-dimensional-I-can't-seem to-get open-against-good-defensive-teams self.

I can't think of a worse arrangement than Kapono starting on the front line with Bargnani. How bad would the defense and rebounding get with that duo playing together? Augh.

Undrafted Rook · Post #4 » by **Undrafted Rook** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:36 am

"I think it's time to pull Moon from the starting lineup. Defenses are just ignoring him. His defense really isn't that great, just a showtime block once in a blue... This team won't go very far without learning to defend and rebound as a cohesive team unit, and pretending that Moon is somekind of a band-aid is just hindering our development."

Alredy put that in to the post game thread.

I'd like to see how consistent Delfino can be in a starting role. But for this team to contend Moon needs a jumpshot or driving ability, Kapono needs lateral quickness or Delfino needs consistency. I'd take my chances with Carlos. I think Moons rebounding is overrated, he gets so many redundant boards.

Raps run a spread offense which calls for every player to be a threat offensively.

AlvinWilliams_fan · Post #5 » by **AlvinWilliams_fan** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:39 am

id like to see kapono start again

Mr.Raptorsingh · Post #6 » by **Mr.Raptorsingh** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:43 am

How about Joey Graham? I am serious, he has the physical gifts and he plays hard, so why not give him a shot? He was a big part of our success down the stretch last year when Garbo went down. Jamario Moon's flaws are getting exposed....he's a bench player forced to start.

Darrick Martin · Post #7 » by **Darrick Martin** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:48 am

All of our SF's are heavily flawed and inconsistent on either the offensive or defensive areas.

Substituting one player for another just changes the flaws from one area to the other area. LOL

I wouldn't mind seeing Delfino getting some burn at the starting SF spot.

The_Hater · Post #8 » by **The_Hater** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:53 am

Mr.Raptorsingh wrote:How about Joey Graham? I am serious, he has the physical gifts and he plays hard, so why not give him a shot? He was a big part of our success down the stretch last year when Garbo went down. Jamario Moon's flaws are getting exposed....he's a bench player forced to start.

Graham's flaws get exposed everytime he plays only worse. And Moon is light years ahead of Graham defensively and doesn't make nearly as many boneheaded plays. Graham is sitting on the end of the bench for a very good reason.

A lot of people here don't realize how important having Moon in the starting lineup is with his athleticism, defense and rebounding. Especially if we're going to insist on starting Bargnani with all his faults. Moon balances out a lot of the things that Bargs just doesn't have. This isn't just about putting points up on offense people.

Franchise_411 · Post #9 » by **Franchise_411** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:11 pm

If you're going to start Kapono or Delfino over Moon, then you're going to have to shift Calderon back onto the bench ... Plain and simple, Kapono and Delfino play better with TJ, they've looked a lot more fluid playing with him since his return ... Kapono's stats have increased ... Calderon, goes to Bosh 4/5 times down the court every time, which I think is a mistake, because the opposition sees this and swarms Bosh, whom for whatever reason doesn't have any concept of kicking out to the open man ... But I guess that's Calderon's M.O., keep the franchise happy by getting him all the touches ...

Tha Cynic · Post #10 » by **Tha Cynic** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:41 pm

I somewhat agree. Moon's defense has somewhat died down. Teams have figured him out. They leave him wide open on offense and pump fake to get him up in the air on defense. He's starting to look more and more like a rookie. The problem is, we don't really have other great wingmen to replace him in the starting line-up.

mintsa · Post #11 » by **mintsa** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:54 pm

I believe it is time to try someonme else out at sf, not the moon is playing bad. But just to try out something else. Maybe moon can be more of a factor coming off the bench.

Japen · Post #12 » by **Japen** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:26 pm

While Moon is starting, it looks like they are phasing him or at least cutting down his minutes. Delfino has been getting all of the minutes in the forth quarter and Moon has been hovering around 20 mins a game for the past two weeks. So even if he is starting it looks like they have more confidence in Delfino and Kopono at present time.

Post #13 » by **Shaazzam** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:28 pm

I'm just waiting for a roster change.

OlFlashy · Post #14 » by **OlFlashy** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:34 pm

Moon is still the best swing starter we have, but Colangelo will need to upgrade at that position with someone who can slash and shoot a lot better. Whether that player is available this year through trade, or at end of next year through free agency, I don't know. People should be happy we are competitive night-in and night-out after being only 1.5 seasons removed from the Babcock era. Toronto is young, with some solid depth, a 2+ year project in Bargnani, and completely set at PF and PG for years to come.

As the cap situation improves over the next 1-2 years and Toronto starts to deal away from its strength (every team desires a good shooter at some point) to upgrade its starting lineup, this has to be one of the most desirable rebuilding situations. They're competitive and rebuilding all at the same time!

Spragga · Post #15 » by **Spragga** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:41 pm

No way should Delfino be starting. He would take away shots from bargs/Bosh and hinder ball moving with his atrocious Chucking. Start Kapono or even Joey before starting Chuckfino.

Nothingface · Post #16 » by **supersub15** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:48 pm