Max Contract Amount for Bosh? - 2010

[d.sil]

aI am just wondering what the MAX will be for Bosh when he is a UFA?
Trying to figure out how much of JO's expired contract will be used up to sign Bosh again.
JO will come off the books for 23 million that summer
Bosh makes 16 million that final year (assuming he does not use his play option)

So if he can re-sign for about the same as JO (Bosh will get the max, if he chooses to) than we will have 16 million left over from JO's contract to sign another player.

I do not know the complete rules on MAX contracts and whatnot so any information will be great

[That Other Guy]

A bit over a gabillion dollars.

gabillion - A number so immense that it cannot be comprehended with the human mind. So large that the word large doesn't begin to describe it. (Neither does huge, or gigantic.)

[d.sil]

useless, i am just trying to figure something out for my own knowledge.
why waste your time?

[KingKover]

a bagillion dollars

[That Other Guy]

^ that's not even a real number.

[_RapTOR_]

a bagillion dollars

i think you meant a.... bargs-illion (when you pay millions too much... and by too much, i don't mean bosh doesn't deserve the max, i just think they are paid too much in general)

[b0na f1de]

30% of the salary cap. so like 18-20mil.

[alysomji]

Come on guys

He needs to feed his family too

[Kosta]

I hope he takes a hefty pay cut to stay here and win a chip. Bosh is not a 20 million dollar a year player, but he can easily get that on the market from a lot of teams who will have cap in 2010.

[Pr0metheus]

Come on guys

He needs to feed his family too

Somewhere in the world, Latrell Sprewell feels his pain.

[SCF99]

If bosh dosen't lead us to the promised land, or even the same country as the promised land by 2010 he would probably be disheartened by than and it would be better for us to move him and start over again(sigh)

[Test of Wills]

18 million/year

[metaldaze]

Bosh wants to win or he would have gone long on his last deal . Where will this team be in 2010....a serious contender or an middle of the pack team as they say in the south "Your about to find out".



Those who have been observing as the Cleveland Cavaliers, Miami Heat, New Jersey Nets and New York Knicks, among others, maneuver to create salary cap space have already heard about "the Summer of LeBron." That's 2010, the year that LeBron James can opt out of his contract with the Cavs.

But the offseason of 2010 is not just the Summer of LeBron: It's also the Summer of Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudemire, Ray Allen, Tyson Chandler, Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, Joe Johnson, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki and Michael Redd, each of whom can become an unrestricted free agent in 2010.

And in 2009, the list is illustrious, too: Kobe Bryant, Carlos Boozer, Allen Iverson, Ron Artest, Richard Hamilton, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Andre Miller, Lamar Odom and Rasheed Wallace can become unrestricted free agents next year.

And that's not to mention all the restricted free agents, as you can see below.

Of course, not all of these players will reach free agency. But some will, and that's why we're already hearing buzz about the summers of 2009 and 2010.

Take a look and see whom your team could lose ... or which players it might ink in '09 and '10.

[Raptor04]

Bosh won't take a giant deal like Gilbert or a Kobe/KG deal. He'll want to stay with the Raptors, and as long as there's a pay increase, I see us keeping him for a 92 million/5 years deal, with the breakdown as such:

10-11: $15 million
11-12: $16.5 million
12-13: $18 million
13-14: $20.5 million
14-15: $22 million

[satyr9]

^ Bosh will get the max, guaranteed. He took the 3 year/ 4th player option deal simply to become a UFA with 7 years so his max salary could be 5% of the cap higher as early as possible (otherwise he'd have a deal identical to C.Anthony's right now). With all the teams getting ready to get under the cap to take a run at that group (and believe that Bosh is included as a player teams are hoping to get a shot at) there's as little chance as there can be for an event two years down the road to not happen. Once he gets into 30% of the cap, most likely the raises will take him beyond what a 10 year vet could make (35% of the cap), so he'll be looking for a full 6 year deal. Say, a 62 million dollar cap, so it's a 18.5 starting salary with 1.9 million dollar raises:

18.5
20.4
22.3
24.2
26.1 eto
28.0 po

That's 6/140. For us the worst case scenario would be him leaving that 28 million on the table and taking 8% raises, which would let him go anywhere he wants.

18.5
20.0
21.5
23.0
24.5
5/107.5

That's the best he could get from another team, so if he's taking less for the team, it'd be somewhere between those two. Obviously my numbers are based on the 62 million dollar cap assumption, which could be off and would change the numbers, but the only difference between us and 29 other teams at that point will be that we will be able to offer him at least 30 million more than other clubs. If he takes 20 or 15 and leaves 10 or 15 on the table, that would be sweet, but even if the cap held right at 58 (which hasn't been announced, but that's what most think it'll be this year) you starting salary would still be more than 2 million low.

[PimpHandStrong]

^ Bosh will get the max, guaranteed. He took the 3 year/ 4th player option deal simply to become a UFA with 7 years so his max salary could be 5% of the cap higher as early as possible (otherwise he'd have a deal identical to C.Anthony's right now). With all the teams getting ready to get under the cap to take a run at that group (and believe that Bosh is included as a player teams are hoping to get a shot at) there's as little chance as there can be for an event two years down the road to not happen. Once he gets into 30% of the cap, most likely the raises will take him beyond what a 10 year vet could make (35% of the cap), so he'll be looking for a full 6 year deal. Say, a 62 million dollar cap, so it's a 18.5 starting salary with 1.9 million dollar raises:

18.5
20.4
22.3
24.2
26.1 eto
28.0 po

That's 6/140. For us the worst case scenario would be him leaving that 28 million on the table and taking 8% raises, which would let him go anywhere he wants.

18.5
20.0
21.5
23.0
24.5
5/107.5

That's the best he could get from another team, so if he's taking less for the team, it'd be somewhere between those two. Obviously my numbers are based on the 62 million dollar cap assumption, which could be off and would change the numbers, but the only difference between us and 29 other teams at that point will be that we will be able to offer him at least 30 million more than other clubs. If he takes 20 or 15 and leaves 10 or 15 on the table, that would be sweet, but even if the cap held right at 58 (which hasn't been announced, but that's what most think it'll be this year) you starting salary would still be more than 2 million low.

That should be about right. 2 things though:

1. Max contracts are based on 48.04% of BRI, not the 51% the cap is based on. You have to multiply the first year salary (30% of the cap) by 48.04/51 to get a more accurate figure. Turns out a 7-9 year vet's max contract starts out at about 28.3% of the cap.

2. I'd guess the cap will be a bit higher than $62million in 2 years. The rumored cap for this season is $58.5million, a 5.2% increase from last season's $55.6million cap. 5% increases over the next two years would bring the cap to about $64.5million in 2010.

Using a $64.5million cap these are the numbers (it turns out your low cap and high starting salary percentage make your numbers nearly identical to mine):

$18 226 941
$20 140 770 ($38 367 711)
$22 054 599 ($60 422 310)
$23 968 428 ($84 390 738)
$25 882 256 ($110 272 994)
$27 796 085 ($138 069 079)

[d.sil]

thanks guys.

[ToffKobe]

The elementary school kids are out in full effect on the first page now that school's closed. Anyways, I'm not sure what a MAX contract will be then. Guys like Wade and LeBron who got similar contracts to Bosh might determine how much he gets. Also for big men the market can be different so 2009 free agent big man class as well as how franchise players get payed this coming off season will have an impact on the 2010 free agent class. So it's still a little early to tell but I think he'll get about 18 million dollars in his first year of his new contract with it gradually rising every year.

[satyr9]

1. Max contracts are based on 48.04% of BRI, not the 51% the cap is based on. You have to multiply the first year salary (30% of the cap) by 48.04/51 to get a more accurate figure. Turns out a 7-9 year vet's max contract starts out at about 28.3% of the cap.

Didn't know about this part. The cap could easily be higher than my 62 million as well and for the discussion it's no biggy if it's 62 or 64 and 30% of straight cap or slightly adjusted. If you and I were to guess right, you're numbers, being far better nuanced in the CBA, would be more accurate than mine, but I was just trying a rough estimate on what Bosh's contract would look like. I think it's safe to say that Bosh's starting salary in 2010 if he's a Raptor will be somewhere between 17.67 and 18.5 (my guess is closer to the high end though). The other part was simply that our only leverage over the other teams is that we'll be able to offer an extra year and better raises, so that if he were to take less it would only be a part of that difference. If was happy with 5 years and 8% raises at max or less, I think we'd have very little chance of keeping him in Toronto, without enormous gains in wins getting deep in the playoffs the next two years.

A part I'm not factoring in is that with such large media markets like Bos and LA playing for the title, the NBA might get a significant increase in revenue because those teams have large national fanbases that could be re-invigorated by their success, not to mention if d'antoni can do anything for NY that's even better for revenue, because I can't imagine Knicks fans being any more discontented than they already are. If the NBA has been raising the cap roughly 2 million a year for the last little while, having those 3 markets getting significantly stronger could boost those raises quite a bit (at least I think so, I have nothing concrete to back that up).

edit: one last thing, since you seem to very well informed on the cba. Do minimum contracts count to the luxury tax? I would've thought they should, but I'm sure I've seen it bandied about here or there that they don't. It would make an enormous difference for the Raps since they're likely to be carrying at least 3-4 minimum contracts and even at 700k those add up. I know it's a little OT for the thread, but I can't find good info on this anywhere I usually go and it's not a question deserving of it's own thread IMO.