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Post#1 » by mudsak » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:07 pm

I feel like there's a decent chance Olynyk and Vando are both moved at the deadline. Do you guys think there's a possibility Dok actually gets some minutes at backup during the 2nd half of the season?

I know most everyone is pretty down on him as a player. I'd imagine he's been pretty much checked out mentally as well. I just always thought he had a really unique toolset to work with. He's fkn huge... and freakishly athletic. He's also never really had an opportunity to log any consistent playing time. In that sense I don't think he's ever really had a fair shot to display what he can do.

If we make significant moves at the deadline I think it makes a ton of sense to invest in Dok from a minutes standpoint at least until the end of the season. See if there's actually something there worth anything. The worst case is he's terrible and that's the end of the discussion, but it's no big deal since we're fine with losses rn. Best case is he starts to piece it together and becomes worth either keeping/trading.
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Post#2 » by Inigo Montoya » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:23 pm

The Jazz already declined their option on Dok so he's going to be a UFA and the Jazz don't have control over him anymore so his value in trades, even if he shows improvement, is minimal.

He's a sunk cost at this point.
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Post#3 » by zero24gravity » Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:25 pm

I try to not be too down on our local players, but Azabuke is terrible. He's not an NBA player, and will never get a 2nd NBA contract, IMO. "He's fkn huge... and freakishly athletic", yet in an actual NBA game gets nothing accomplished with those physical assets. (If the Jazz staff saw anything in him, then he'd be getting minutes with Olynyk out.)

If the Jazz can get rid of him, they need to cut their losses and be thankful. I'd rather see Potter get minutes than Dok. Sorry, I know it's harsh, but he looks lost, unengaged and without skill any time he's on the court.
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Post#4 » by TNJazz » Wed Jan 25, 2023 3:48 pm

When Don was drafter, there were high hopes and quite a bit of hype. He has had some injuries, but when available, he seems uninterested and unmotivated. I am sure his agent and others around him hav instilled in hi that he belongs and just needs to go to another team where his talents will be appreciated. I agree with zero, not an NBA player. He's just a big dude with some athletic skills but doesn't seem ready for the rigors of NBA life and will probably end of not being picked up once his current contract runs out. Another bad pick in a long list under the former GM.
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Post#5 » by Crunch 99 » Wed Jan 25, 2023 4:59 pm

I agree with Mudsak that we haven't given Dok any opportunity to play meaningful rotation minutes this season. I haven't seen him enough to conclude that he isn't an NBA player, but I also agree with Inigo that since he will be a free agent, there isn't a lot of point in the Jazz going out of their way to try to develop him the rest of the season. And he has very low trade value right now.
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Post#6 » by FJS » Wed Jan 25, 2023 5:18 pm

As we are playing right now, I think we should have given him minutes.

There's a massive hole when Kessler is in the bench in rebounding. The sensation when Walker & Lauri are in the bench is nobody is going to take the rebound, and opponent grab a lot of offensive rebounds.

Maybe playing Dok would have been different, at least vs the teams who have a traditional big.
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Post#7 » by Fido » Wed Jan 25, 2023 11:09 pm

He has had 2 and a half years to earn some playing time. In the NBA you earn your time before you get it and so far he hasn't shown the ability to push for minutes. I expect he will finish out the year and be dropped from the roster as a free agent this offseason.
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Post#8 » by dautjazz » Sun Jan 29, 2023 2:54 pm

Unfortunately for Dok I think he needs to go to another league. Quite frankly he's wasting his time in the NBA, he doesn't get any burn here, and when he does he looks quite bad. In another league he can regain confidence, then maybe down the line give the NBA another shot, like Whiteside did.
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Post#9 » by CAE15 » Mon Jan 30, 2023 1:54 am

Dok really needs to commit to his conditioning if he wants to carve out a role in this league. I don't buy that he won't get a 2nd contract. Someone will kick the tires
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Post#10 » by pickIBL » Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:02 am

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