What next for the Jazz?
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Well, at least some are okay with watching bad basketball and taking L's for years. I haven't watched a full game in several years now and have no plans to start while "tanking" is what the team is about. Too many other things to spend time with when the outcome is known--a loss for most of the time. If I wasn't an avid collector of Jazz sportscards and a fan of roster management, I may not spend much time on them at all. I know, I'm not a "real" fan and all that but not going to lie--the tanking hurts my fandom.
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Juzang signs a 1 year deal in Minnesota, Springer signs a 1 year deal in New Orleans.
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Fido wrote:Well, at least some are okay with watching bad basketball and taking L's for years. I haven't watched a full game in several years now and have no plans to start while "tanking" is what the team is about. Too many other things to spend time with when the outcome is known--a loss for most of the time. If I wasn't an avid collector of Jazz sportscards and a fan of roster management, I may not spend much time on them at all. I know, I'm not a "real" fan and all that but not going to lie--the tanking hurts my fandom.
And I haven't watched a full game in the last 2 or so seasons of the Gobert-Mitchell era other than the playoffs, which ended in humiliating fashion every time, because the outcome was known in advance--that that team was going nowhere. We all look for different things from 'our' teams.
The thing is, I'm not sure what you're suggesting the Jazz do. It's not like they don't know that tanking hurts the bottom line and suppresses the fan base. And yet they decided to go that route anyway. Surely they wouldn't have done so if they thought there was a better alternative to building a contender.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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Inigo Montoya wrote:Fido wrote:Well, at least some are okay with watching bad basketball and taking L's for years. I haven't watched a full game in several years now and have no plans to start while "tanking" is what the team is about. Too many other things to spend time with when the outcome is known--a loss for most of the time. If I wasn't an avid collector of Jazz sportscards and a fan of roster management, I may not spend much time on them at all. I know, I'm not a "real" fan and all that but not going to lie--the tanking hurts my fandom.
And I haven't watched a full game in the last 2 or so seasons of the Gobert-Mitchell era other than the playoffs, which ended in humiliating fashion every time, because the outcome was known in advance--that that team was going nowhere. We all look for different things from 'our' teams.
The thing is, I'm not sure what you're suggesting the Jazz do. It's not like they don't know that tanking hurts the bottom line and suppresses the fan base. And yet they decided to go that route anyway. Surely they wouldn't have done so if they thought there was a better alternative to building a contender.
Same. I usually check the box score to see if anyone is standing out. For anyone who is watching them all, respect, you have a high pain tolerance.
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I still watch about 50% of games........ As long as the game's not on too late......
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Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Ament, Brown or Cenac. That's what's next for the Jazz.
Ace becomes the 2nd guy.
Lauri becomes the 3rd guy.
Then guys like Keyonte, Brice, Flip, Clayton Jr., Taylor, Walker and even Cody become high-level role players.
Bring in a couple defensive-minded vets and things start moving.
Ace becomes the 2nd guy.
Lauri becomes the 3rd guy.
Then guys like Keyonte, Brice, Flip, Clayton Jr., Taylor, Walker and even Cody become high-level role players.
Bring in a couple defensive-minded vets and things start moving.
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Dybantsa looks like he's going to be so good in the NBA, he has superstar written all over him.
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KqWIN wrote:Why are we talking about Middleton, Harris, and Porter?
The real decision the Jazz FO is making is between Continuity, Cap Flexibility, and Cash Considerations.
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I'm somehwere in the middle. I dont want to watch a crappy team tank for years, but also the Jazz needed to reset the team as they had no way to improve and Mitchell wanted out. I would have been fine riding the Gobert/Mitchell second round exit train with a new coach instead of trading them (ignoring the Mitchell situation), but that team was at its ceiling and couldn't improve. The only way for the Jazz to get talent and be a contender is from the draft. They will never get it from FA or in big name trade. Its draft or bust for this team.
Admittedly I haven't watched the team much since the Gobert-Mitchell trade, but thats because the Jazz approached the team rebuilding all wrong IMO. They were playing players that had no future with the team and didn't move the needle way too much. I dont want to watch Connely, Olynek, Collins, Clarkson, Sexton etc. Play minutes when the team is trying to get talent from the draft. They were not part of the teams long term plan, so why are we playing them and holding onto them for so long? (I know why we did and it failed spectacularly) They aren't good enough players to get us to the playoffs, and they aren't crappy enough to get a good draft pick. The Jazz are going to suck this year, but at least its with young players I'd rather watch learn and develop and gain experience, than a bunch of vets that have peaked already. I don't think we have any stars just yet- just some potentially really good role players, but I'm somewhat excited for this season to see what they can do. Which is more than I can say about how I've felt the last few seasons.
My least favorite Jazz basketball years were the Corbin years where we wouldnt let young players play, and the vets were only good enough for an opportunity to get swept in the first round. The last couple seasons felt similar to those years.
If you are going to do it, do it right, and I feel like the Jazz finally are.
Admittedly I haven't watched the team much since the Gobert-Mitchell trade, but thats because the Jazz approached the team rebuilding all wrong IMO. They were playing players that had no future with the team and didn't move the needle way too much. I dont want to watch Connely, Olynek, Collins, Clarkson, Sexton etc. Play minutes when the team is trying to get talent from the draft. They were not part of the teams long term plan, so why are we playing them and holding onto them for so long? (I know why we did and it failed spectacularly) They aren't good enough players to get us to the playoffs, and they aren't crappy enough to get a good draft pick. The Jazz are going to suck this year, but at least its with young players I'd rather watch learn and develop and gain experience, than a bunch of vets that have peaked already. I don't think we have any stars just yet- just some potentially really good role players, but I'm somewhat excited for this season to see what they can do. Which is more than I can say about how I've felt the last few seasons.
My least favorite Jazz basketball years were the Corbin years where we wouldnt let young players play, and the vets were only good enough for an opportunity to get swept in the first round. The last couple seasons felt similar to those years.
If you are going to do it, do it right, and I feel like the Jazz finally are.
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Rauxcee wrote:I'm somehwere in the middle. I dont want to watch a crappy team tank for years, but also the Jazz needed to reset the team as they had no way to improve and Mitchell wanted out. I would have been fine riding the Gobert/Mitchell second round exit train with a new coach instead of trading them (ignoring the Mitchell situation), but that team was at its ceiling and couldn't improve. The only way for the Jazz to get talent and be a contender is from the draft. They will never get it from FA or in big name trade. Its draft or bust for this team.
Admittedly I haven't watched the team much since the Gobert-Mitchell trade, but thats because the Jazz approached the team rebuilding all wrong IMO. They were playing players that had no future with the team and didn't move the needle way too much. I dont want to watch Connely, Olynek, Collins, Clarkson, Sexton etc. Play minutes when the team is trying to get talent from the draft. They were not part of the teams long term plan, so why are we playing them and holding onto them for so long? (I know why we did and it failed spectacularly) They aren't good enough players to get us to the playoffs, and they aren't crappy enough to get a good draft pick. The Jazz are going to suck this year, but at least its with young players I'd rather watch learn and develop and gain experience, than a bunch of vets that have peaked already. I don't think we have any stars just yet- just some potentially really good role players, but I'm somewhat excited for this season to see what they can do. Which is more than I can say about how I've felt the last few seasons.
My least favorite Jazz basketball years were the Corbin years where we wouldnt let young players play, and the vets were only good enough for an opportunity to get swept in the first round. The last couple seasons felt similar to those years.
If you are going to do it, do it right, and I feel like the Jazz finally are.
Spot on.
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What’s next? We got Niang back. If we can get slow mow Joe back we could make a run for the finals is what I’m thinking.
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No stars want to be in Utah. I'd make it easy. I'd draft and sign the best defensive players available. I'd come up with the most aggressive pressing defense possible. And I'd heavily substitute to keep the intensity up. The goal is to just make life as difficult as possible for every second of the game. Probably lead the league in fouls.
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pickIBL wrote:No stars want to be in Utah. I'd make it easy. I'd draft and sign the best defensive players available. I'd come up with the most aggressive pressing defense possible. And I'd heavily substitute to keep the intensity up. The goal is to just make life as difficult as possible for every second of the game. Probably lead the league in fouls.
I'd table that strategy until the Jazz decide they want to be good. Until then, they should make life as easy as possible for their opponents as far as I'm concerned.
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Catchall wrote:Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Ament, Brown or Cenac. That's what's next for the Jazz.
Ace becomes the 2nd guy.
Lauri becomes the 3rd guy.
Then guys like Keyonte, Brice, Flip, Clayton Jr., Taylor, Walker and even Cody become high-level role players.
Bring in a couple defensive-minded vets and things start moving.
I'll be pleasantly surprised—frankly ecstatic—if this turns out to be the case, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm skeptical that he becomes anywhere close to Lauri's level.
There has been a top-5 bust in nearly every draft over the past 2+ decades. Before this draft I had Ace as the most likely bust candidate. My opinion hasn't changed just because he's with Utah. I've seen nothing as yet from him to change my mind. We'll see.
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SkyHook wrote:Catchall wrote:Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Ament, Brown or Cenac. That's what's next for the Jazz.
Ace becomes the 2nd guy.
Lauri becomes the 3rd guy.
Then guys like Keyonte, Brice, Flip, Clayton Jr., Taylor, Walker and even Cody become high-level role players.
Bring in a couple defensive-minded vets and things start moving.
I'll be pleasantly surprised—frankly ecstatic—if this turns out to be the case, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm skeptical that he becomes anywhere close to Lauri's level.
There has been a top-5 bust in nearly every draft over the past 2+ decades. Before this draft I had Ace as the most likely bust candidate. My opinion hasn't changed just because he's with Utah. I've seen nothing as yet from him to change my mind. We'll see.
I'm very optimistic on Ace. I think he can be like Paul George on the perimeter and Lamar Odom on the interior.
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Catchall wrote:SkyHook wrote:Catchall wrote:Peterson, Dybantsa, Boozer, Ament, Brown or Cenac. That's what's next for the Jazz.
Ace becomes the 2nd guy.
Lauri becomes the 3rd guy.
Then guys like Keyonte, Brice, Flip, Clayton Jr., Taylor, Walker and even Cody become high-level role players.
Bring in a couple defensive-minded vets and things start moving.
I'll be pleasantly surprised—frankly ecstatic—if this turns out to be the case, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm skeptical that he becomes anywhere close to Lauri's level.
There has been a top-5 bust in nearly every draft over the past 2+ decades. Before this draft I had Ace as the most likely bust candidate. My opinion hasn't changed just because he's with Utah. I've seen nothing as yet from him to change my mind. We'll see.
I'm very optimistic on Ace. I think he can be like Paul George on the perimeter and Lamar Odom on the interior.
I see Josh Jackson. I'd much prefer you to be right, but I'm doubtful.
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... NO, YOU MOVE."
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