Officiating in this series

[loserX]

^Yep, it was a foul. Kirilenko sure embellished it, which is kind of a shame, but it would have been an even greater injustice if Scola had gotten away with it on a game-tying 3, IMHO.

[HouseofBoozer]

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Not mad at all, just pointing out the other side of the coin. What's the difference between losing in the first round or the second or third? We aren't deep enough to win the championship with Yao out, and given that, I don't care what round we bow out in short of having to hear "FIRST ROUND FIRST ROUND FIRST ROUND *SKWAAAWK*" for another month next year. Thanks for being original as always, Espn.

As far as the rookie thing, a foul is a foul. S'funny how all fans everywhere hate the refs yet nothing is ever done about any of them.

Moofs I've gone back and watched that game through and the fact of the matter is a foul is a foul, and they weren't calling a lot of them. I still think the only way they were ever going to get any calls was to dramatize a lot of the crap that happened, like AK did. I've accepted the fact that if I'm going to be a fan in the NBA I'm going to have to put up with inconsistent stupid calls. Williams got killed on an illegal screen, not to mention everytime he drove to the basket, and I'm sure you could tell me about times that Rockets players were hit and slapped. It's part of the game. I no longer will blame the officials when the Jazz lose because it does me no good. Look around, nobody remembers any bad calls in the past that cost a team a championship except for their own fans. Like seeing the Rockets board and being reminded of Malone bear hugging Clyde Drexler on a screen to get Stockton open. If you watch that clip again I'm 99% sure there was no stopping Stockton no matter what you did. You guys will always remember that play. Just like Jazz fans will always talk about Jordan pushing off in the Finals. Bad calls and no calls happen all the time. We just have to deal with it. And yes watch your boy Scola from a subjective viewpoint and you'll see how bad he really is. He's always grabbing or pushing somebody, and rarely gets called.

[Mr.BattierMVP]

For the love of God lets stop say addressing the "facts of the matter". Theres a multitude of reasons and perspectives and truth, just like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder so to speak.

To Hammerdunk: Theres not reason to bash Mcgrady. It disappoints me that you would disrespect T-Mac after being a witness to what he has done. He is by far the most dominant player in the series. No question. The Jazz have 2 All-Stars and a multitude of borderline all-stars. T-Mac has two of the oldest players in the NBA in his starting lineup, a rookie, and nice role player. We clearly have the much more flawed team that is led by one player instead of 3-4. 23/13/9/3/3? Ill take that any day of the week. Ill give you credit though "Baby-Mac" was very clever. I wonder how many other sleep deprived dwarfs scored 47 points on you?

Was it a foul? Maybe. Was there a precedent for the call? Defiantly not. So, should calls that have little impact on the play,where recognition is a byproduct of flopping and no previous set precedent in the game be called? You tell me.

If this was Cavs vs Wizards or any other team I would also be disappointed. The end of games should be determined by players not by refs. We can argue all day on its legitimacy of being a foul but irregardless it was def. not a hard foul and the game should have ended as a duel between T-Mac vs the Jazz team.

I see your nice snapshot there. Perhaps your right that it may be technically a foul but supose if hypothetically that the current foul in question was called every time. There wouldn't be a starter in the NBA who wouldn't foul out. And the fact that it was called with the game on the line is inexcusable. Much more an indictment against the refs than the Jazz. Sad to see Tony Brothers AK47 make a flop the most memorable play of a great game.

[Racer X]

(picture)

Foul.

How anyone can look at that picture and say that is not a foul is beyond me.

[Mr.BattierMVP]

Why? Because the reason it was called was not because that it was a foul but rather after AK47, for right or wrong, flopped it get it. Because its playoff basketball which is naturally more aggressive with less whistles and similar situations for both teams resulted in no calls. Because there was less than a min left and the Scola had little impact on the play.

Its like getting arrested for jaywalking while crossing an inactive street. Yes, its illegal, but I mean seriously.. Come on.

[loserX]

Why? Because the reason it was called was not because that it was a foul but rather after AK47, for right or wrong, flopped it get it. Because its playoff basketball which is naturally more aggressive with less whistles and similar situations for both teams resulted in no calls. Because there was less than a min left and the Scola had little impact on the play.

I have bolded all the parts of this paragraph that I think are true. Kirilenko was rushing out to the perimeter to block, tip, or at least hurry, the shot. Scola used his arm illegally to restrain him from getting there. How can you say that had little impact on the play, much less not being a foul?

Look, not every foul gets called in basketball, and not every call is a legit foul. It's always frustrating when it goes against you (whichever team you root for), but such is the way of things. The complaint that "Scola committed a foul and we got jobbed because he didn't get away with it" doesn't hold much water.

[Mr.BattierMVP]

Some valid points. To say Scola "restrained" him implies much more contact. The fact is the reason Scola had an impact on the play is because AK47 saw an opening and took it. Had he actually desired to contest the 3 he could have with ease. Had there been no flop there would have been no call. He valued acting over playing basketball. I guess thats just what I'll never understand.

With game 3 coming up its better to draw conclusions and move on. It was a foul. Shouldn't have been called. Bigger reasons than that on why we lost. Jazz are a better team. If I may revert to what I actually want to say, please excuse me, AK47 is a bitch and belongs in the WNBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUJW_8KzzZc

Baron Davis makes a point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdERYOt ... re=related

[DaveMustaine]

I don't know what makes Rocket fans think they can wine about the refs. Battier and Scola flop to the point where they are going to get someone hurt; but leave it to the worst fans in the league (rockets' fans) to wine about something like that. To hell with the Rockets, it will be great beating those dirtbags, and sending Tmac on ANOTHER pre-second round vacation.

[Racer X]

Some valid points. To say Scola "restrained" him implies much more contact. The fact is the reason Scola had an impact on the play is because AK47 saw an opening and took it. Had he actually desired to contest the 3 he could have with ease. Had there been no flop there would have been no call. He valued acting over playing basketball. I guess thats just what I'll never understand.

With game 3 coming up its better to draw conclusions and move on. It was a foul. Shouldn't have been called. Bigger reasons than that on why we lost. Jazz are a better team. If I may revert to what I actually want to say, please excuse me, AK47 is a bitch and belongs in the WNBA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUJW_8KzzZc

Baron Davis makes a point:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTdERYOt ... re=related

Is that really where Rockets fans are at right now? Fouls shouldnt be called? Send this guy back to Arkham.

[HammerDunk]

Mr.Battier, I don't give 2 craps about how "great" TMac has been in this series. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS that he has disappeared in BOTH 4th quarters. Oh right, he is so tired. You know, if I was too tired to play all 4 quarters of an NBA game and I was payed millions of dollars to play, there would be something seriously wrong with me. And if he was MY franchise player, I would be pretty damn pissed. I want my franchise players to earn their bucks and actually show up when it matters.

If you want to say that a foul shouldn't be called because of what time of the game it is, even though it is CLEARLY a foul, well that is beyond my line of reasoning. If the roles were reversed, I would be pissed, but not at the guy that flopped. I would be eating Scola alive right now if I were a Rox fan, that was such a rookie move. Mr. made of titanium or whatever sure acts more like the scarecrow than anything. I hope he finds Oz someday...

Moofs: Scola clears out with his left arm EVERY time he drives, it's a foul, and it NEVER gets called. It's not dirty, it's just unfair. Go ahead and justify it, but it IS a foul every time. On top of that, he got away with a lot of pushes to get rebounds. AK was smart to sell that push, because he certainly wasn't getting it normally.

[Ern III]

... If I may revert to what I actually want to say, please excuse me, AK47 is a bitch and belongs in the WNBA.

Could someone please enlighten this git and upload Battier's flop at the left box early in Game One, when Kirilenko spun in for an uncontested lefty layup? That was embarrassing.

[HammerDunk]

Mr.Battier, you have the name of one of the biggest floppers in the league in your name. What does that make you?

[Mr.BattierMVP]

Most of you are ignoring what is acutally being argued. Perhaps your posts would have best been submitted a few pages ago. Battier goes for a lot of charges, very rarley does he acutally flop and NEVER with the game on the line. Are you kidding me? Battier would never have pulled the stunt AK47 attempted. Hammerdunk I have a feeling you have no idea what its like to play an NBA and judging from your posts any basketball game. Don't talk about what you don't know. Some fouls arent meant to be called. See MJ ftw.

[Racer X]

Most of you are ignoring what is acutally being argued. Perhaps your posts would have best been submitted a few pages ago. Battier goes for a lot of charges, very rarley does he acutally flop and NEVER with the game on the line. Are you kidding me? Battier would never have pulled the stunt AK47 attempted. Hammerdunk I have a feeling you have no idea what its like to play an NBA and judging from your posts any basketball game. Don't talk about what you don't know. Some fouls arent meant to be called. See MJ ftw.

[Hard2dhole]

Most of you are ignoring what is acutally being argued. Perhaps your posts would have best been submitted a few pages ago. Battier goes for a lot of charges, very rarley does he acutally flop and NEVER with the game on the line. Are you kidding me? Battier would never have pulled the stunt AK47 attempted. Hammerdunk I have a feeling you have no idea what its like to play an NBA and judging from your posts any basketball game. Don't talk about what you don't know. Some fouls arent meant to be called. See MJ ftw.

Are you equating Scola to his Airness Micheal Jordan? Add that to the laundry list of fairy tales you've spouted and You just lost all credibility. *IGNORE*

[Mr.BattierMVP]

Do you seriously think im comparing MJ to Scola? Seriously? I compared foul situations not players.


After watching AK47 and Okur flop all over the place. Your idiotic fan who was just sent packing. And Boozer who just jacked landry. Suprise, No call. I think AK47 would have combusted in that situation.

UPDATE: Landry lost his tooth tonite. He didn't even bitch after the play and he in fact kept with it. Look at this and learn. Flopping is an unnatural cancer and Carl Landry is your first dosage of Chemotherapy.

I think ill take my leave from the Jazz board with a quote from an old friend who happens to be a Nets fan.

"You can't call the Jazz a tough team, but ,damn, they sure do know how to flop."

[HammerDunk]

You are good for a laugh, and that is IT. This thread is an absolute joke. A foul is a damn foul.

[Mr.BattierMVP]

If you get hit in the mouth with enough force to loose a tooth is that a foul? Or is that just something else..?

[HammerDunk]

Funny thing is that Mutombo actually knocked out his real tooth earlier in practice, and that was just a temporary replacement, so you're whining is lost on deaf ears here.

But I think it WAS a foul and SHOULD have been called, just like every other foul. Cry more please.