game 3 analysis

floorgeneral · Post #1 » by **floorgeneral** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 6:35 pm

Im a bit confused about the last play where dwill missed boozer the first time and the second time he took a fade away when boozer was open.

1) this is what i thinked happened to dwill on the first play the adranline and speed of the play he just missed boozer.

2) the second time he missed boozer, i think from the tv camera angle it looked like he just ignored boozer and tried to pull a marbury. But then the tv anouncer said he couldnt see over carl laundry. and on top of that someone else on this site said he had to put the shot up because of the shotclock.

with all these possibiltes i dont know what to think.

Any of your opinnons would be appreciated. cause this is driving me crazy.

garbangie121 · Post #2 » by **garbangie121** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 7:41 pm

Well it wasnt a shot clock thing because the jazz got the ball with 17 seconds left. I think that he just got caught up in the moment and just plain didnt see boozer. Sometimes it just happens

carrottop12 · Post #3 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:02 pm

It really wasn't that bad of a play.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XqURspYwpRY

Just watch the end.

Yeah, Boozer was open but only because Landry was coming off of Boozer to cut of Deron at the hoop which obviously can help block the passing lane.

Overall Landry made a good play on the ball, Deron had the right idea to get to the hoop, Landry just played better defense. Live and learn.

Neon Black · Post #4 » by **Neon Black** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:17 pm

i'm not worried that the Jazz lost to this team....remember, they are the same team that had the hustle, defense and teamwork-ethic to win over 20 straight. They know how to play. The Jazz just need to learn from their mistakes.

On a side note, is anyone as worried about Boozer as I am? I'm personally sick of the Malone comparisons...Karl played defense and was alot tougher than Boozer. Booze has been settling for those stupid jumpshots all year. He has such a great post-up game but he's just to lazy to use it. The only thing that helped negate his horrilbe defense was his incredible offense and rebounding, and now that's suffering. Is he worth a max contract?

carrottop12 · Post #5 » by **carrottop12** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:36 pm

ele.ven wrote:i'm not worried that the Jazz lost to this team....remember, they are the same team that had the hustle, defense and teamwork-ethic to win over 20 straight. They know how to play. The Jazz just need to learn from their mistakes.

On a side note, is anyone as worried about Boozer as I am? I'm personally sick of the Malone comparisons...Karl played defense and was alot tougher than Boozer. Booze has been settling for those stupid jumpshots all year. He has such a great post-up game but he's just to lazy to use it. The only thing that helped negate his horrilbe defense was his incredible offense and rebounding, and now that's suffering. Is he worth a max contract?

I am still waiting for a 40+ game like he had in the second game last year against Yao. He's been weak so far and it has to do with his fire to get that many points, nothing else.

The offense needs to be run through Boozer, not from Deron penetrating and dishing, that hasn't ever been the Jazz game.

floorgeneral · Post #6 » by **floorgeneral** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:16 am

i never knew the offense was run througth boozer i always thought it was ran threw Deron.

Duiz · Post #7 » by **Duiz** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:29 am

floorgeneral wrote:i never knew the offense was run througth boozer i always thought it was ran threw Deron.

Deron gives the ball to a wingman.. whether Korver, Kirilenko, Harpring, Brewer, and they are in charge of pushing the ball in to Boozer or Millsap whoever is PF, and rarely we do see it go through Memo, and after a couple of screens by Deron, is when Deron actually gets to run the offense. But you get the give and gos, alleyoops, or pull up jumper options ran out first, and also there is the face up or penetration that Boozer can do...

That is before it gets to Deron, so the offense runs through the wingmen and the PF before Deron.

carrottop12 · Post #8 » by **carrottop12** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:46 am

Yeah, I don't think a lot of people really understand the Jazz offense.

It all comes from the ability of the shooting guard to throw an entry pass (Korver is excellent at this) to Booze or Okur who then operates the offense from there.

After Deron brings the ball down the floor a lot of his job consists or running off the ball, setting good screens, and flashing out for long jump shots. He actually plays almost a Rip Hamilton like role for the Jazz after he brings the ball down the floor.

And if nothing opens up there he becomes the primary option to create a shot for himself in the final seconds of the shot clock.

I don't think people really appreciate how much of the offensive burden Deron carries even when he doesn't have the ball. The ball runs through Boozer who is the primary passer in the system, but Deron is like the key that turns the lock, with out him it wouldn't work.

Post #9 » by **JStockLivesOn** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:11 pm

Those who don't know the intricacies of the Jazz offense (and there's no reason to expect non-Jazz fans to) can't appreciate just how good a player Jeff Hornacek was or how key he was to our success in the late 90's. Hornacek was the best entry passer I've ever seen.

floorgeneral · Post #10 » by **floorgeneral** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:47 pm

Batronuj wrote:Yeah, I don't think a lot of people really understand the Jazz offense.

It all comes from the ability of the shooting guard to throw an entry pass (Korver is excellent at this) to Booze or Okur who then operates the offense from there.

After Deron brings the ball down the floor a lot of his job consists or running off the ball, setting good screens, and flashing out for long jump shots. He actually plays almost a Rip Hamilton like role for the Jazz after he brings the ball down the floor.

And if nothing opens up there he becomes the primary option to create a shot for himself in the final seconds of the shot clock.

I don't think people really appreciate how much of the offensive burden Deron carries even when he doesn't have the ball. The ball runs through Boozer who is the primary passer in the system, but Deron is like the key that turns the lock, with out him it wouldn't work.

how the hell does dwill rack up those assists.i thought quite a bit of his assists came from the pick n rolls. and i thought the offense flowed througth him because he calls the plays.

Post #11 » by **JStockLivesOn** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:12 pm

floorgeneral wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

how the hell does dwill rack up those assists.i thought quite a bit of his assists came from the pick n rolls. and i thought the offense flowed througth him because he calls the plays.

He does call the plays, but he's rarely the first option on said plays. But when the first couple looks aren't there, he gets the ball back, at which point we often see some variation of the pick and roll, which is what sticks out to most people.

We also run now more than we did the last few years of Stock's career, so Deron gets a few assists on the break as well.