Video analysis - spreading, part 2

[jozef]

continuation for previous thread http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=787670

Here is look at 3 possession after Boozer went to the bench in Game 2 (the Jazz trailed 13-17). They all ended with turnovers and they all were result of no spreading of the defense.

Kirilenko Turnover:Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal:Fisher (1 ST) 4:55

Kirilenko posts up Radmanovic. He has little room for maneuvering cause 3 other teammates Brewer, Okur and Millsap stand close to the paint. Andrei has to watch so many inside defenders so he does not see Fisher coming for the steal.

Kirilenko Turnover:Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal:Fisher (2 ST) 4:22

Stacks offense is the worst play spreading-wise. Kirilenko has no room for drive and his only passing option to Millsap (cause Okur and Brewer do not spread the defense) is intercepted by Fisher.
Williams has to foresee things probably and move around the perimeter.

Okur Turnover:Lost Ball (1 TO) Steal:Bryant (1 ST) 3:38

Once again 3 Lakers defenders patrol the paint and allow Bryant to put more pressure on driving Okur. Kirilenko tries to help his teammate (teamwork effort is terrific) but in fact he does the opposite and stops him.

0-8 run, the score is 13-25.

I think there is a golden rule about AT LEAST TWO PLAYERS SPREADING THE DEFENSE FROM PERIMETER and the Jazz broke that rule too often.

[russnumber3]

Interesting. It's good to see analysis on here that is thought out and demonstrated well. Keep it coming

[jozef]

I was scared watching the Jazz not spreading the defense on 4 of first 5 possessions. They digged a hole 5-11 but then they started spread it and despite missing shots on next 3 possession they got on right track and kept the control (= spreading) for whole game.
The spreading was big difference in comparison with first 2 games. If they stress it then they can win the series.
I kept stats for points and possessions in regard to at least 2 players spreading the defense on perimeter.

[troy]

This is very interesting. Keep it up please :p

[Pai Gow]

Yep, and the refs aren't going to bail us out trying to go one on one against that many defenders. Hopefully we can solve this problem.

[carrottop12]

There are a few reasons why that play failed.

One, because the Jazz are obviously trying to take advantage of the AK/Radmonovic option on the low post. The problem is usually the Jazz have AK on the weakside of that play, Okur down where AK is, and Brewer where Millsap is. From there Deron is supposed to run down on the block, catch a screen and go under the basket, or cut back on a screen to get an open baseline jumper. The problem is with AK not being the low post scorer that Boozer is, the Jazz need to spread the floor for him down low, so Deron, Memo and Brewer dance around the perimeter hoping to pull their man out which LA denies and traps AK. From there AK has to either make a long pass out to Deron, or try a little shuffle pass to Millsap who will likewise get trapped.

That was an ugly play, really poorly executed and well defended.

[babyjax13]

Very interesting.... I guess this also shows why Korver has helped this team so much... Keep this stuff coming

[carrottop12]

Very interesting.... I guess this also shows why Korver has helped this team so much... Keep this stuff coming

Yeah, with Korver on the floor the Jazz really do have an advantage in this situation. For one, he's a great passer into the post which is a huge plus being able to put him where Deron or Millsap is. Or, you can put him where Brewer is and have a great 3 point threat in the corner which is a money shot.

[MeestR]

this thread is exactly the reason why i came to realgm in the first place. very insightful thankyou.

a bit of a tangent now, ever notice how big men cannot succeed as well since the league changed its illegal defense rule a few years ago? it has now become a league for the guards and not so much for the fowards/centers.

[babyjax13]

I'm going to disagree with that, when was the last time you've seen a team without their best, or second best player being a big man win the championship? I don't think that it has ever happened..

[ColdBlue]

I think spreading the offense is more effective with a penetration/dish (Steve Nash) type of offense vs. post up... well unless you have a post player that demands a double team like Tim Duncan.

The Jazz don't have that inside presence, and very rarely does Deron penetrate and dish. We have to rely upon the pick and roll and the high post look for cutters, which unfortunately doesn't create open 3's (although Deron does a nice job finding Memo on the P&R quite often).

For our offense to run smooth, we really need Booze to knock down the high post shot, because we find ourselves stuck there so often.

[jozef]

Yeah, with Korver on the floor the Jazz really do have an advantage in this situation. For one, he's a great passer into the post which is a huge plus being able to put him where Deron or Millsap is.

For unknown reason Korver did not feed the post in last games. He also often curled in and duplicate Brewer/Harpring(/Kirilenko) game instead of spreading. He rarely shoots off doubleteam kickouts.

The last game with improved spreading was first .500 FG% game since Game 1 at Houston when Kirilenko shot 8/12 including many jumpers which spread the defense. It's no coincidence I guess that Boozer had 20 points and 16 rebounds - it opened the floor for him. We cannot rely on Kirilenko's hot night - we need to spread the system as much as possible. If you look at the stat table the Jazz would score 13 more points if they would spread the defense on all possessions. That's huge difference.