Nonthing is going to happen this off season, oh well

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Nonthing is going to happen this off season, oh well 

Post#1 » by Da110n0rcutt » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:14 am

Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor recently told HOOPSWORLD he has no intention of making a big trade this summer. He's happy to re-sign Deron Williams and move forward with the core group he currently has in place. That may even mean Andrei Kirilenko stays, though that's certainly up in the air.



http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9442


As much as alot of us wanted to see some changes, it looks like we are standing pat once again this off season. Granted we are signing Deron Williams to a max contract, which would of been more important then anything we did this off season. Although I don't see us getting much better then last season.
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Post#2 » by fivas14 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:40 am

What do you expect them to do?


They got size that we needed via the draft.

We're not far away from the 'ship.
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Post#3 » by FJS » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:56 am

I think it's not enough.
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Post#4 » by Batu7 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:30 pm

Maybe he wants to see what our core will do with the addition of Kosta. He might do a big trade if things don't go very easy for us in February, it will be better than losing Boozer to free agency, that's for sure.
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Post#5 » by carrottop12 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:47 pm

Maybe he didn't want to alienate anyone by saying he was going to make a big trade.

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Post#6 » by Beto » Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:29 pm

Yeah, I didn't expect any big changes happening this off-season even though I hoped they would. With the possibility of Boozer opting out and pulling a Brand next year. The Jazz will probably wait and see what happens. I think that's why the Jazz are holding on to AK yet for another year and not willing to take less to open cap space. If they lose Boozer, I think they will keep AK and move him to PF. Next year is when we'll see the Jazz making some moves since we have a lot of contracts coming off the books!

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As for contending, I think we can contend right now. If we can be more consistent on the road and eliminate some of the mental lapses we sometimes seem to go through, we'll be right there. I know moral victories are not worth much, but look at what we accomplished this year. We had the best home court record. We took the western conference champs to 6 games, which noboby else did. If it wasn't for some bad calls and Boozer's late season meltdown, we could have made it back to the WCF for a rematch with the Spurs, and who knows from there. All of this with a starting 3rd yr PG and 2nd yr SG! Not to mention with Hart and Collins in the same roster, I mean it can only get better with some more time and experience.
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Post#7 » by thorian » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:32 am

You guys believe what comes out of KOC's mouth?

Think about it. If he says, "We are going to make a huge trade." then he is going to put everyone on the team on guard -- wondering if they are the ones that are on the trading block, unjustly putting everyone on edge.

Of course, he isn't going to publicly state the Jazz are trying to make a trade or a big change, whether they are or not.
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Post#8 » by jazzfan1971 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:35 am

I never thought we'd do anything bold this season. Our team is set. Our management style is conservative.

You shouldn't expect any moves this season beyond maybe tweaking our 10-15 players.
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Post#9 » by erudite23 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 4:01 am

What you guys are missing is that he wouldn't have said "We are going to make a trade"....but if he did have any intention of making one, he sure as hell wouldn't say "We're NOT going to make a trade". Only an idiot would say something like that while there was a good chance that they would, in fact, do exactly what they said they would not do. That's the important note, and quite frankly, I'm glad to hear it.

There are some potential deals that could help us, but those are unlikely to happen. Most often, people don't want to trade unless a) they are getting a clearly better package--at least in their opinion--than they are sending or b) if there is a clear and obvious outside influence--such as salary cap issues, character/chemistry concerns or a trade demand, for example--forcing their hand into dealing. Needless to say, you aren't going to benefit much from the 1st option, and the 2nd lacks a proper suitor to deal with us. So we stand pat.

Again, people don't quite realize how good this team is. Because of the measly 3 win improvement from the year before, people don't think we improved that much, when in reality we played leaps and bounds better as a team this year.....without adding a single piece in the previous offseason. This team will be in the mix, and I would give them even odds to get to the WCF for a matchup with the Lakeshow.

But, then, who wants to risk building a team from the ground up when you can take a blind swing at a massive retooling of the team without any assurance that it will improve your title hopes. That's no fun.
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Post#10 » by Getjazz » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:42 am

With all that said erudite23, and I do agree with you. Don't you feel the least bit worried that Boozer walks next yr? If he does the Jazz could be a lottery team for a yrs to come. Missing out on a great player in return could kill this team. If he doesn't they have to give him a FULL MAX DEAL. Is he truly worth that? Maybe, but maybe not. You tell me.
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Post#11 » by carrottop12 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:26 am

Boozer is a difficult situation.

If you don't max him out he's gone and the Jazz will have an offensive hole, and will certainly have lost out on a good player.

However he really isn't worth the max contract.

It's a doozie. And with Deron it makes it even harder.
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Post#12 » by erudite23 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:21 pm

Getjazz wrote:With all that said erudite23, and I do agree with you. Don't you feel the least bit worried that Boozer walks next yr? If he does the Jazz could be a lottery team for a yrs to come. Missing out on a great player in return could kill this team. If he doesn't they have to give him a FULL MAX DEAL. Is he truly worth that? Maybe, but maybe not. You tell me.


Sure, there is the possibility of losing him for nothing....but remember, losing him for nothing is preferable to trading him away for 50 cents on the dollar--but getting back EQUAL salary--and finding out the player or players you got in return don't mesh well with the team. Then you're stuck not only without Boozer, but with contracts that tie your hands to turn around and make another deal.

At least if we lose him, we would be slightly under the salary cap, and would have a lot of flexibility with trades and draft picks to replace him in fairly short order. Not just that, but there is always Millsap there, waiting to get a shot at starting, and who will likely be AT LEAST a decent starter to bridge the gap between Boozer and his eventual replacement.

People need to remember, we have the Knicks pick in 2010. That pick will likely be a top 10 pick with the approach they are taking to cleaning up the mess on their hands. That is a great chance to replace Booz. Then, in addition, we have Fesenko, who if he develops could be a good enough interior force to get the job done with Memo pulling more of the load from mid range and the high post. Add Kosta in, and you have a plethora of potential solutions to the problem.

All this, though, is just contingency talk, because by far the most likely scenario is that Boozer will re-sign with us. He loves it here, he is in an absolute PERFECT situation to fully display his abilities. He gets to play with a young potential HOF point guard that gets him tons of easy looks. He gets to play on a contending team that will be in the hunt every year for the foreseeable future. What's not to like? The only thing I've heard is that "Oh, but he lives in Miami!!!11" WTF is that? How many times have you followed a FA story that had "Well, I could have gone somewhere else that gave me a better chance to win, and look better in the process....BUT I think I'd rather play close to home"?

That's assanine. The only way we lose Boozer is if Miami can and will give him more money than we offer. I think a 6 yr/105 million deal is a fair deal for him, and I don't know that Miami could (or would) offer him more than that. Even if they can, would playing alongside D-Wade, Marion(or whoever they get for him), Beasley and a bunch of scrubs put him in contention for a run at the title? Doubtful. Miami looks to be AT LEAST 2 years away from fielding a true contender, and it could be a lot longer. They are in serious need of role players, and don't really have any at the moment. That process will take awhile. And even then, Boozer will be coming into direct conflict with Beasley for touches in the post. Michael has to have the ball in his hands a lot to reach his potential. So does Wade. What does that leave for Booze?


All told, the best approach is to simply wait it out. If a perfect deal comes along--one that would address this team's biggest need: that of an interior defensive force--then go for it. But the problem is that any team getting Boozer is going to have to deal with the worry of him opting out and leaving THEM for nothing. So, what exactly do we hope to gain?

Booze likes it here, and if we take care of his salary demands there is NO WAY he would leave. But I have a hard time thinking that any team would give him 20m a year when he isn't an all-around stud. I look for him to get a contract on par with what Elton Brand just signed but perhaps a little more. Elton got 5yrs at 16m per. Carlos will likely get 6yrs at ~17 or so. I think the Jazz pay it and we continue to look for a defensive complement to him.


Lost in all of this, though, is the REAL question: do we resign Memo? THAT is the quandry, right there.
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Post#13 » by jazzfan1971 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:50 pm

players most often resign with thier old team. But, wiht Boozer you have his wife to deal with. And that throws conventional wisdom out the door.

I'd REALLY like to move him now if we can get good value back.
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Post#14 » by russ1 » Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:16 pm

I think there is a larger problem here. The jazz can contend with this group, but I don't think they are good enough defensively to win it all. Losing boozer would kill us offensively, but we would be better defensively without him on the floor. I really think we should trade him, but I don't think it is in the character of this organization to make such a big move. I hate to admit it, but I also think larry miller is satisfied with the current level of success meaning being in the mix, but not quite good enough to win it all. Miller has lived with the "close, but no cigar" mentality for years.
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Post#15 » by JStockLivesOn » Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:09 pm

If it came down to "do we sign Boozer or Memo?," I'd take Memo. Despite being at best an average defender, I never doubt his effort or desire on that end. I also don't feel we're as likely to overpay for him as we are to overpay for Boozer, who isn't worth a max deal.

Ideally, I'd like to keep them both, but that might not be feasible, sadly. We'll just have to see how things shake out next summer...
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Post#16 » by BiggMann » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:14 pm

Lets dont turn this into another "What about Boozer" thread.

HOOPSWORLD said they talked to KOC?? ya sure. They probably just heard him on the Fab Five and 5 or something. O'Conner is not going to tip his hand in anyway, shape or form. If he's got a deal in place why would he tell HOOPSWORLD about it?? of all sources. NBA transactions are a sneaky thing, you cant let someone know your trading before it happens, for one it's illegal, and second it shows other teams your direction.

O'Conner is happy with our current roster.... wow breaking news
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