Orlando-Utah trade idea

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Re: Orlando-Utah trade idea 

Post#21 » by JDubJazz » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:47 pm

hoops4life wrote:Milsap isn't just on a rookie contract, he is a on second rounder contract which is a difference in about $3 mil.

I don't think that they have to just "throw" in Milsap to trade Ak. PHX was offering Marion. Who is a great player with value. That is really the only trade that we have heard about too.


He's still on his rookie contract: his first NBA contract, that is. That means he accepted the contract before he was a proven commodity, he was just a guy trying to make a team. At the time he was an unknown entity. Thats certainly not the case now, and his salary/productivity ratio will certainly take a mojor nosedive next season when he gets his second NBA contract. That's the main point I'm trying to make here: Arguments about how productive a guy is relative to his pay are irrelevant when talking about guys on their first contracts because the player had essentially ZERO leverage when negotiating that first deal. In the NBA, outside of a certain few top draft picks, they assume you will be a bust until you prove otherwise. Obviously, ANYONE outside of that select group, who succeeds is going to have a stellar productivity to salary ratio.

Just because a guy exceeded expectations and made it in the league from a lower draft position is not reason to assume they make additional leaps and bounds and become a starter or All-Star type player. I haven't seen anything in Millsap's game that leads me to believe he will ever be anything other than a solid and valuable role player. Every team needs those kind of guys on their teams, and that is why they get traded. I'm certainly not saying that we need to trade Millsap, but I also wouldn't break the bank to keep him, either.
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Re: Orlando-Utah trade idea 

Post#22 » by hoops4life » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:58 pm

I agree with your first paragraph.

If we were to trade Milsap straight up with another team, we wouldn't be able to get fair value because we would have to match salaries. Even solid and valuable role player are hard to come by these days and cost a pretty penny, especially when they are pf/c's.
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Post#23 » by JDubJazz » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:46 pm

hoops4life wrote:I agree with your first paragraph.

If we were to trade Milsap straight up with another team, we wouldn't be able to get fair value because we would have to match salaries. Even solid and valuable role player are hard to come by these days and cost a pretty penny, especially when they are pf/c's.


I agree. A straight up trade: Millsap for Player X, is nearly impossible to do and get equal value.
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Re: Orlando-Utah trade idea 

Post#24 » by MagicHolland » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:03 pm

I want to thank everyone for their input. You guys strike me as good evaluators and good posters. Insightfull posts and good arguments. I like that. Enough of the brown nosing..

So I get that Millsap (+filler) for Hedo isn't going to work. Millsap off course was the main reason to propose this trade, and by trading Hedo I'm trying to get a starting (true) PF and a SF to back up Lewis. Millsap would be high on my list (since I'm looking for a realistic trade) to fill the PF spot and you guys either have Korver or Harpring to backup Lewis.

We're not really looking at Kirilenko, although I'd like him for our PF, because of the salary owed. Ownership won't take on another Max contract unless it pretty much guarantees us a championship imo..

Once again thanks for the good discussion!
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Post#25 » by JStockLivesOn » Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:52 am

JDubJazz wrote: In the last 30 years I can think of two NBA PFs with Millsap's size that were stars: Dantley and Barkley. Both of those guys were just tremendous offensive players.


??? Dantley and Barkley were both 6'5. By your system, Ronnie Price is Mugsy Bogues' size.
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Post#26 » by JStockLivesOn » Fri Aug 1, 2008 4:57 am

Yeah, we're just not good trading partners for you guys. But Hedo's value is high, so the Magic could still get something good for him.
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Post#27 » by wikiJazz » Sat Aug 2, 2008 2:36 pm

This trade doesn't appeal to me because I'm not a Hedo fan, but I would be all over Boozer and Memo for Howard plus whatever bad contract it takes to make the trade work. I'm sure I'll get beat up for it, but I actually think it would make both teams better.

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