Boozer to have surgery on knee

[hoops4life]

You can't trade an injured player... He won't be healthy in time to trade him.

[carrottop12]

He'll still get a max offer from somebody. It's not like he's having Microfracture or anything, he having particles removed from his knee. Not nearly as big of a deal. There are plently of teams willing to offer 15 mil for a perenial all-star and a 20-10 scorer.

[kebutah]

In today's market teams will be more careful, I think. Nobody wants to be Arenas-ed. Unable to perform for antoher year after signing a new big contract. It all depends on Boozer's abiolity to come back this year and play effectively.

[ropjhk]

Did you really have to take his words so literally? It should be obvious to non morons and non retards that he was referring to Boozer's previous injury woes and that "missing a large chunk of every season" is a figurative statement.

I wasn't debunking figurative statements. Ok. Let's put this to rest.

2002/2003 Season - 81 games played, 1 missed.
2003/2004 Season - 75 games played, 7 missed.
2004/2005 Season - 51 games played, 31 missed.
2005/2006 Season - 33 games played, 48 missed.
2006/2007 Season - 74 games played, 8 missed.
2007/2008 Season - 81 games played, 1 missed.
2008/2009 Season - 12 games played, 21 missed (so far).

Totals: 407 played/ 117 missed.

Now, take note that of seven NBA seasons, only three seasons have had considerable time missed. The 04/05, 05/06 seasons as well as this season. Of those seasons, only once did he miss more than he played (not touching this season since it's only at the 1/3'rd marker and could go either way). So.. Four of those NBA seasons, he did not miss "large chunks". So once again, facts are facts. People blur the lines of reality when they exhibit a passion for something they love. It may seem like he is always out, but he's not. This is a normal though process for passionate fans. We always see the extremes and never the details. Yes, I am a passionate fan. Hopefully this is the last of this sub-thread.

He's missed on average so far close to 17 games per season, a number that will go up before this season is done. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make except to say that based on career history there's about a 50-60% chance that Boozer won't miss significant time in a given season. 50-60% isn't that great of a percentage, and missing on average 17 games a season is what I would call injury prone. How many more games does he have to miss before you consider him injury prone? To put things in perspective, Yao Ming, a guy whom I'd bet you'd consider injury prone, has missed less games in his career than Boozer (both came into the league the same year). Of course Yao's record looks better when you consider that he was healthy his first couple years, but if you're going to pull out Boozer's days with the Cavs as an example of his durability, then all should be fair.

[majortripps69]

Look man.. I never argued he hasn't missed a bulk of games. My argument was that it didn't happen every year. I'm done with this thread.

[Neon Black]

All petty arguing over semantics aside, the simple fact is this:


Boozer has missed a large % of overall games in his career. I think that's what hammerdunk was getting at, no need to nitpick at his over generalization.

With Boozer's current track record for injuries I wouldn't want the Jazz to fork out a max contract to him. Let another team pay him to play roughly 3/4 of their games...


and then cut that in half, since he only plays basketball on one side of the court.

[CAE15]

You can't trade an injured player... He won't be healthy in time to trade him.

You can trade an injured player. Mobley, Harrington were both hurt and they were traded, Mutumbo and ratliff a few years back. You can trade an injured player they just need to pass a physical.

[HammerDunk]

Let me just say this. Any team that wants to be on a championship level, will have a very hard time doing it if they have to worry about a key player being injured, even if healthy every other year, you can't get consistent enough to be on that level. Just look at how long it took Stockton and Malone to get to that level in this system, and they never missed games. As long as we have this stuff going on, you can forget about being more than WCF losers...

[freakazoid]

Let me just say this. Any team that wants to be on a championship level, will have a very hard time doing it if they have to worry about a key player being injured, even if healthy every other year, you can't get consistent enough to be on that level. Just look at how long it took Stockton and Malone to get to that level in this system, and they never missed games. As long as we have this stuff going on, you can forget about being more than WCF losers...

Amen.

Thanks a lot, Matt Harpring. Loser.

Sorry. I had to say what we were all thinking.

[HammerDunk]

Let me just say this. Any team that wants to be on a championship level, will have a very hard time doing it if they have to worry about a key player being injured, even if healthy every other year, you can't get consistent enough to be on that level. Just look at how long it took Stockton and Malone to get to that level in this system, and they never missed games. As long as we have this stuff going on, you can forget about being more than WCF losers...

Amen.

Thanks a lot, Matt Harpring. Loser.

Sorry. I had to say what we were all thinking.

Name a team that has had our issues and has won a championship.

[Duiz]

You can't trade an injured player... He won't be healthy in time to trade him.

You can trade an injured player. Mobley, Harrington were both hurt and they were traded, Mutumbo and ratliff a few years back. You can trade an injured player they just need to pass a physical.

The team receiving the player can veto the medical test. Usually, you do medical tests in order to assure that the player you are being sent isn't injured and can play, but that is obviously if you want it to work.

New York wanted to clear salary cap, and they were crying out loud to be able to get rid of the salary of Crawful. I would even dare to say that Knicks encouraged Mobley highly to retire even though he had that heart problem.

And isn't it just me who thinks this quote is sig worthy?

You can trade an injured player they just need to pass a physical.

Has written GOAT all over its face.

[outerspacefella]

In today's market teams will be more careful, I think. Nobody wants to be Arenas-ed. Unable to perform for antoher year after signing a new big contract. It all depends on Boozer's abiolity to come back this year and play effectively.

I'm not a huge Boozer fan, but put him along a classic center with D abilities and Koufos/Fesenko O potential, and then you have a dreadfull frontcourt on both sides of the court. If Koufos/Fesenko develops well the whole issue of Boozer should in due time be revisited from a whole new perspective.
Because of the aforementioned standpoint, I'm now convinved Jazz brass won't make a move untill Boozer come back and play.

[gonzo]

It all depends on how and WHEN he plays after the surgery. It's in his own best interest (and the Jazz ) to get back and play at the level he was before the injury. If that's the case, I don't know which way the Jazz would go. If you could get Millsap and a decent back-up for the same money Boozer would demand, which way would you go?

A lot depends on who's willing to pay him and how much. Same goes for Millsap, Lee, Gooden and whoever else is out there. Millsap's shown what he can do with starter minutes, but the rest of the league knows that now, as well.

With Boozer out at the trade deadline, does that kill any chance to trade AK for an expiring? If that's the case, we won't have the room under the tax to pay him (and keep Okur) anyway. By being injured, he may have shot his self in the foot. (bad pun intended.)

Let's hope the bidding for Millsap doesn't put him out of our reach.

[Effigy]

When does Boozer come back? In time to trade him?

[Effigy]

I think that it's probably 50/50 that we don't see him in a Jazz uni the rest of the season, and probably 75/25 that we don't see him in a Jazz uniform ever again.

You were terrible at math when you were a kid, weren't you?

[outerspacefella]

I think that it's probably 50/50 that we don't see him in a Jazz uni the rest of the season, and probably 75/25 that we don't see him in a Jazz uniform ever again.

You were terrible at math when you were a kid, weren't you?

You're a cruel dude!

[HammerDunk]

I think that it's probably 50/50 that we don't see him in a Jazz uni the rest of the season, and probably 75/25 that we don't see him in a Jazz uniform ever again.

You were terrible at math when you were a kid, weren't you?

Don't mind Bonzi, he's nothing but a troll...