will boozer stay or go

aad · Post #1 » by **aad** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:13 pm

will he takes less money to stay here or will he go.
because the jazz aint letting millsap go

lapassione · Post #2 » by **lapassione** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:27 pm

he'll go to whoever pays him a cent more

CAE15 · Post #3 » by **CAE15** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:37 pm

If utah gives him a offer that is close to the highest bidder I think he stays. If someone offers way more then utah then I think he leaves. I think Boozer cares about being paid no doubt but I dont think he'll leave utah for a bad situation. Just for a few more million.

erudite23 · Post #4 » by **erudite23** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:19 pm

Yeah, good assessment there, NJN.

I am baffled as to why Carlos gets the hate he gets. He loves his situation here, and he appreciates winning. He won't go to a bad team or a bad situation for a few more mill. He might go there if there is, say a 20million difference between the two, but most NBA players would too.

I say it all depends on the market for him. I think the Jazz will be willing to pay him what he is worth, which is about 15, maybe 16 million a year. If he gets an offer for significantly more, he will bolt.

The great news right now is that with the economy in the dump, teams are going to be looking to saving as much of their money as they can. That means I don't see anyone making an eye-popping offer for him. Detroit, Miami and Memphis are the most likely candidates to have the space and the inclination to get him. Detroit is the only one that I am seriously concerned about. Miami won't have the room for much more than the Jazz will pay, and even if they do Carlos is a horrible fit in that system, and will have to fight with Beasley for minutes and touches. Memphis is tight, but he would be a good fit. Does he want to play for a bottom feeder, though? And will they make him a big enough offer?

Detroit is the only legit threat to sign him away. Otherwise, I really can't see a way that he leaves, unless its through a S&T, in which case the Jazz win, because we would likely get some nice picks out of the deal, which is really what we need if Boozer goes.

Post #5 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:37 pm

lapassione wrote:he'll go to whoever pays him a cent more

That's no different than any other person with a job.

carrottop12 · Post #6 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:53 pm

There is a lot more to this Boozer story then people are making it out to be.

I honestly don't think Boozer is the most well liked guy in the locker room. I have heard "rumors" that he has had some problems with some of the other players, and it's obvious that he isn't LHM's favorite player.

I think it's pretty obvious he will be gone.

drivewayball · Post #7 » by **drivewayball** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:00 pm

Tell us about these problems in the locker room. I have always understood Carlos to be the most popular teammate on any team he has played on. I believe that holds true with the Jazz. Don't just make up ridiculous crap.

Let's talk about Carlos. ESPN's number one high school prospect in the country coming out of high school. Huge MacDonald's game ... I thought better than MVP Jonathan Bender, who broke the scoring record for the game. Would he have been drafted out of high school ahead of Bender, who went about number six or eight to Indiana? We'll never know because he was just 17 when he entered Duke. Despite spending his collegiate career playing out of position at the five and never being allowed to shoot from more than a half dozen steps from the basket, he contributed to a national championship while deferring to less talented teammates Jay Williams and Mike Dunleavy. His reward for three years at Duke? He was drafted in the second round while Williams and Dunleavy went first and third. He was an immediate hit at Cleveland and labeled the steal of the draft. Lebron James said he'd like to have Carlos as "his" four for his entire career. Michael Jordan said that no player represents the NBA better than Carlos. Okay, Cleveland wants to sign Boozer long term for $5 or $6 million a year rather than lose him to unrestricted free agency after his third year. They make him an unrestricted free agent after two years. Carlos gets double their best offer from Utah ... for five years and a player option for a sixth. Much is made of Carlos "stiffing" Cleveland owner Gordon Gund. Forget it. Whether Carlos left then or after one more season, what difference? Cleveland didn't have the money to sign him and he was gone to play for team that he so hoped would have drafted him two years before. He had openly hoped to be drafted by Utah! So, Utah has enjoyed highly successful years the past two, once making the final in the West. Carlos has put up top five efficiency numbers every year. He has been an All Star, picked by the coaches, twice. He has played for the Olympic team and sat mostly on the bench without complaint. Unfortunately, he has endured a few injuries during his career ... but never due to being out of shape. What player wants to be injured? Now, completing the fifth year of his Utah contract, he has made it clear that he will become a restricted free agent after this season. How can anyone find some kind of fault in that? Every decent player becomes a free agent under those circumstances. The only way they accept the player option for the sixth year is if they are hurt or their performance has not been worthy of finding employment elsewhere or a raise where they are. Carlos is a great guy and a class act. Paul Millsap's performance has been great. He too is a class act. He too will follow the money to his next job.

carrottop12 · Post #8 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:42 pm

^^^

Do you know why CeCe took Carlos Boozer's kids back to Miami during the playoffs last year? There are a lot of reason's Boozer played poorly in the post season, and they come from both inside and outside of the locker room.

xstockholmsyndromex · Post #9 » by **xstockholmsyndromex** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:55 pm

Batronuj wrote:^^^

Do you know why CeCe took Carlos Boozer's kids back to Miami during the playoffs last year? There are a lot of reason's Boozer played poorly in the post season, and they come from both inside and outside of the locker room.

Dang it Bat, you edited that before I had a chance to respond. I had heard 'rumors' that Carlos got caught by CeCe screwing some girl in their home, when she(CeCe0 showed up as a "suprise". She got pissed and took off back to Miami with the kids. "Rumor" has it that this was why Carlos seemed a bit preoccuppied and unfocused during the playoffs last year. I wouldnt be suprised if Carlos and CeCe have an agreement that she stay with him if he opts out and leaves Utah...and the woman/women he was fooling around with.

I hadnt heard the "rumors" as to with whom he was involved. Where did you hear about that Bat? Im curious if its true.

carrottop12 · Post #10 » by **carrottop12** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:37 pm

There are multiple sources I have heard it from, all of which are pretty close to the team, and I have actually heard it from from multiple sources unrelated to one another which leads me to believe it is true.

It's not quite the story you have, but pretty much the same ball park.

The Sheik · Post #11 » by **The Sheik** » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:18 pm

There are also former teammates that have not liked him. Raja Bell left because he didnt want to play with Boozer.

Ive also heard the rumor Bat has brought up.

Let me present it in another light. When Millsap is healthy we play fairly well, correct? When AK is off the bench even better. If Deron plays at 80% we are amazing. IMO if we can add a legit backup PF...no more of this AK or Harpring at PF nonsense and deal Boozer to someone for say a Rip Hamilton we could be very dangerous.

Just like we did a semi-rebuild and got back in the playoffs in 2yrs (nearly making it the 1st yr). We should do one now for serious contention in 2-3 yrs. The pieces we have now, even 100% healthy are a little lame duck to me.

It sucks that Booz might be injured past the deadline.

Sloanfeld · Post #12 » by **Sloanfeld** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:51 am

I was playing ball with somebody this summer (we used to play little league so we knew each other) and he was telling me that he was a huge Duke fan and how he went to a Duke game one time with his brother and friend. Said he met some of the players after the game and got his picture taken with Coach K. I asked him about Boozer and he was like, "Boozer snuck out the back door." lmfao

With that said, I think he's staying put.

CAE15 · Post #13 » by **CAE15** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:15 am

The Sheik wrote:There are also former teammates that have not liked him. Raja Bell left because he didnt want to play with Boozer.

Raja left utah because he didnt like Boozer? So your saying it wasn't the fact that he was coming off the bench for a team that didnt even win 30 gamest? and he didnt leave utah for a starting position with the suns who just came off of a 62 win season? There might have been some dislike from bell about boozer, but dont say thats why he left.

The Sheik · Post #14 » by **The Sheik** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:22 am

I should re-phrase that by saying that was one of the reasons he left. It was well known that they didnt get along. Just like nobody knew Mark Jackson was the biggest cancer in Jazz history.

BarneyGumble · Post #15 » by **BarneyGumble** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:50 am

I wonder if Masha Kirilenko had to pay Boozer to model clothes in her add. BABAAHHAHAHA that was so ridiculous.

outerspacefella · Post #16 » by **outerspacefella** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 5:46 am

Every time fans and media got to certain level of criticism about Boozer, Sloan has been there supporting the guy. That should tell us somthing methinks.

Post #17 » by **jazzfan1971** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:51 am

I don't even know that Carlos will get a raise. The market is going to be extremely tight. I'm not sure that Larry will want to go above his current salary, and I'm not sure anyone else will either.

I think this could be one of those 'mistake' opt outs. Where the player gets bad advice from an agent and ends up getting less than expected.

Look for him to take a 1 year deal with a contending team if he can't get a raise.

carrottop12 · Post #18 » by **carrottop12** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:20 am

Boozer isn't Deshawn Stevenson, he'll easily get at least the 12.6 he's supposed to make next year. If Rashard Lewis, Lamar Odom and Zach Randolph can get more then that, Boozer is going to be just fine.

And I agree with Sheik, bring me a Udonis Haslem type player coming off the bench, and a legit starting shooting guard and this Jazz team is very dangerous, and if the SG can play defense, then you really need to look out.

drivewayball · Post #19 » by **drivewayball** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 1:01 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I don't even know that Carlos will get a raise. The market is going to be extremely tight. I'm not sure that Larry will want to go above his current salary, and I'm not sure anyone else will either.

I think this could be one of those 'mistake' opt outs. Where the player gets bad advice from an agent and ends up getting less than expected.

Look for him to take a 1 year deal with a contending team if he can't get a raise.

Don't tell Derek Lowe about this tight market, he might pinch himself, wake up, and find out he didn't get over $15 million a year from the Braves.

JDubJazz · Post #20 » by **JDubJazz** » Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:49 pm

David James had a pretty funny and pretty spot-on blog post today about Booz:

http://www.kutv.com/content/blogs/sport ... Q.cspx?p=2

That ESPN.com story was killer. Sure you only confirmed the obvious, but you confirmed the obvious while you were hurt and your back-up was flourishing.

So Utah is not a destination (#1), no one is sure if you can be trusted (#2), you are following a legend (#3) who never, ever got hurt, but you have been sidelined for long stretches in three of five years in Utah. Jazz fans could endure the injuries because they have seen you dominate in the post-season (#4) but you are friends with another owner (#5) and you are preparing to end your contract (#6). Sure, you could opt out and re-sign with the Jazz this summer. That’s how you get the most money and who isn’t chasing cash? But if Jazz fans wait, they won’t get a chance to boo you like they boo you know who (#7) because they are sure you are another in a long line of players who are rejecting them (#1, #4).

Once you get booed, mercilessly, you probably won’t want to play here, if you ever did. You will be missed, the ball boys consider you a very generous tipper. I’m sure Jazz fan doesn’t appreciate the irony as you approach free agency.