Question about how Utah got D-will

[dookieguy]

What exactly did Utah give up to get the third pick in the draft? I heard it was three draft picks or something, and I'm pretty darn curious as to what it is.

[Batu7]

The Utah Jazz have acquired the third pick in the 2005 NBA Draft from the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for the sixth pick, the 27th pick and a future first round pick the Jazz obtained from Detroit in the Carlos Arroyo trade, it was announced today by Jazz President Dennis Haslam.

The Jazz now hold the rights to the third overall pick, the 34th pick and the 51st pick in the 2005 NBA Draft. Draft coverage begins at 5:00 pm tonight on ESPN with the Draft beginning at 5:30 pm.

[PDXKnight]

Portland had a tremendously stupid GM during that time frame. Imagine if Utah had the number 6 pick in the 2006 NBA draft and traded it for Juan Dixon, that's about how (Please Use More Appropriate Word) it was to pass up on two very promising PG's in Paul and Deron for a huge question mark in Martell Webster. Martell may ultimately become a good role player, but even with how things turned out, I can't help but wonder how many times KP bangs his head on the wall thinking about how ridiculously horrible his predecessor was.

[carrottop12]

Let's just say Portland got Pritchslapped.

[El Turco]

hookers and coke.

[Reckless]

incredibly dumb move by the blazers

[DelaneyRudd]

You all need to remember though that Portland already had their PG for the future, Sebastian Telfair.



But it worked out for them in the end. Paul is better than Roy, but they would have never gotten Roy with Paul increasing their win total immediately.

[erudite23]

What's funny is that even at the time it was obviously a bad move. Anyone in their right mind could see that Telfair was not a franchise PG, and there was one franchise-type prospect and another possible franchise type available in that draft.

This is not a case of Sam Bowie over Jordan that was fairly defensible at the time and ended up being an epic fail. This was clearly a bad move at the time, and ended up being an epic fail. What's funny is that Nash said multiple times that even if they had stayed where they were at, they would still have taken Webster over Paul and Williams. This is what happens when a GM thinks he knows **** that he really doesn't know, and it flies in the case of conventional wisdom. Also see Korolev, Yaroslav.

[sendai91]

Basically, the Jazz traded Carlos Arroyo for the rights to Joel Freeland, and gave to Portland the rights to Freeland, the picks that were Martell Webster and Linus Kleiza for the right to draft Deron Williams. Portland then traded the rights to Kleiza and some scrub named Sanchez for Jarrett Jack.

Portland ended up trading Telfair (who they preferred over Paul and Williams) and little else to Boston for Brandon Roy (you heard that right) and moved up in the 2008 draft to select by trading Jack and other pieces to Indiana to pick up Jerryd Bayless.

So, they ended up basically trading away Paul or Wiliams, a #1 draft pick and spare change for Brandon Roy and Bayless. Not the worst trade in NBA history, but certainly shortsighted. You could also say that if they had either Paul or Williams, it would be almost impossible to have them end up with both Roy and the living enigma, Greg Oden. Time will tell...

[EGame]

Basically, the Jazz traded Carlos Arroyo for the rights to Joel Freeland, and gave to Portland the rights to Freeland, the picks that were Martell Webster and Linus Kleiza for the right to draft Deron Williams. Portland then traded the rights to Kleiza and some scrub named Sanchez for Jarrett Jack.

Portland ended up trading Telfair (who they preferred over Paul and Williams) and little else to Boston for Brandon Roy (you heard that right) and moved up in the 2008 draft to select by trading Jack and other pieces to Indiana to pick up Jerryd Bayless.

So, they ended up basically trading away Paul or Wiliams, a #1 draft pick and spare change for Brandon Roy and Bayless. Not the worst trade in NBA history, but certainly shortsighted. You could also say that if they had either Paul or Williams, it would be almost impossible to have them end up with both Roy and the living enigma, Greg Oden. Time will tell...

While it is true the move was very questionable, the trade of the 3rd pick for 6th was under our old management John Nash who was in love with Telfair and thus, the reason we traded down. When we traded Telfair for Roy (who you are right is not better than Paul or Williams IMO), this was under KP who did not see much in Telfiar and in fact, KP wanted Chris Paul really badly in that draft for us, but in the end, obviously we traded. So while we may have lost in the trade since we basically lost Paul for Roy and Bayless, you have to understand one GM screwed up and the other did the best he could (and getting Roy and Bayless is pretty damn good for trading a scrub like Telfair).

[erudite23]

Great point. The fact that they f-ed up the 2005 draft is mitigated to a large degree by the fact that they turned around and robbed Boston blind in trading a hack like Telfair straight up for the 7th pick in the draft--which was also regarded as a laughable move at the time.

Boston, though, still got the guy they would have taken at #7 anyway, Rajon Rondo, in return for a bag of chips and a few baseball cards from Phoenix. Ultimately, every team that effed up in the whole epic tale ended up salvaging their mistake.


Well, except Phoenix, but...hey, at least their owner was able to reduce costs!

[loserX]

Well, if we get to include consequences, let's not forget that the Celtics also managed to swap Raef Lafrentz's multi-year contract for Theo Ratliff's shorter contract in the Roy/Telfair trade. Without Ratliff's contract expiring a year earlier, would they have been able to get Minny to accept it as part of the KG trade?

[DelaneyRudd]

If Cleveland didn't suck for 30 or so years they wouldn't have gotten Lebron.

[GP]

Utah got DW by passing on CP .