OMG Boozer might stay!!!

[jazzfan1971]

Wow. I'm much more moderate on Boozer. I'd welcome him back. I don't think he's ideal but he's a heck of a lot better than a lot of guys.

Of course, I'd love to move him for a top tier center, but, that's unlikely. But if he comes back and posts 25-12 for the first couple of months, who knows where his value will be?

[majortripps69]

If Boozer opts in we will have roughly 3 mil. to resign Millsap and Memo before we go over the salary cap....Doomsday scenario. We just might possibly suck big time this next season if Boozer stays unless we make some major moves.

We just might possibly suck big time if he stays.. We WILL suck big time if he goes. Sorry, but if he's healthy, he's worth having here regardless of the scenario. I am all for him staying unless we can pull in a major player to replace him, and no, that is not and never will be Paul Millsap.

And not only that, it's HIS option. We have no say in what he does. We signed him to this contract and gave him the player option. If we get screwed, it's our own damn fault for committing so much money.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

What do we do if we lose Okur and Paul then lose Boozer next year? Were back to rebuilding all over again! It would be Williams, Brewer, NY Pick, Miles, Kosta!

[carrottop12]

If Boozer opts in we will have roughly 3 mil. to resign Millsap and Memo before we go over the salary cap....Doomsday scenario. We just might possibly suck big time this next season if Boozer stays unless we make some major moves.

We just might possibly suck big time if he stays.. We WILL suck big time if he goes. Sorry, but if he's healthy, he's worth having here regardless of the scenario. I am all for him staying unless we can pull in a major player to replace him, and no, that is not and never will be Paul Millsap.

And not only that, it's HIS option. We have no say in what he does. We signed him to this contract and gave him the player option. If we get screwed, it's our own damn fault for committing so much money.

Boozer isn't good to have here if he costs us Millsap and/or Okur and only plays 30 games next season.

[babyjax13]

I think that if Boozer opts in to his contract he is going to be gone next year and we should resign Millsap, if he opts-out and we can resign him then let Millsap go.

[majortripps69]

Boozer isn't good to have here if he costs us Millsap and/or Okur and only plays 30 games next season.

The point is that we have no control over what Boozer or Okur do. If they both opt-in, then what? Millsap is gone. If Boozer opts-in and Okur opts-out, we can likely sign one of the two, but not both. As I said, Jazz management made this mess and they have to clean it up. It's just the only thing we can do at this point is to sit back and watch. After tomorrow at 5pm, we'll know what we are dealing with. Do you try and trade Boozer? Do you work a sign & trade? One things for sure though, given what I've been reading, expect Boozer to opt-in. Memo may very well be heading back to Detroit...

[Dr Ashworth]

Yeah, we can't control what Boozer does, but we can let it be known: Boozer, you're not wanted back.

There is no **** way I'm going to watch another season of Carlos Boozer. Shake this team up, please.

[erudite23]

1) I don't know where this talk about us losing Millsap in the event that Boozer and Okur both pick up their options has come from, but it is unequivocally not the case. KOC himself has come right out and stated that the Jazz would be willing to pay the tax for one year if it meant retaining Millsap. If you read between the lines, what he is saying is very simple. The Jazz have no interest in paying Boozer 13+ million a year. They are going to keep Millsap no matter what (barring a crazy contract offer from another team). That means that they will let Boozer walk or explore S&T scenarios if he opts out, or they will let him play out the final year of his contract if he opts in and THEN allow him to walk/S&T. They will keep Okur. Its not hard to read. The Jazz know what the costs involved will be and are planning on moving forward with Millsap and Okur, but are certainly up for another season of Boozer @ 12.5m. We won't lose Millsap because of Boozer. Also, if you don't have a rudimentary understanding of the way the NBA's soft cap/luxury tax system works, please refrain from commenting. It pisses people off and makes you look bad.

2) I have never seen so much hate generated for a player that has literally done nothing overt to deserve it. I mean...the guy did what? Declared his intentions to do exactly what everyone expected him to do? He is slightly less than ideal from a PR standpoint in the way he deals with the media? Or is it just simply the fact that he got hurt? Does anyone really think that he was faking? If not, how can you justify hating on him? And do we forget that, in the two seasons prior to this year, he played 154 out of a possible 164 games? I just don't get it.

The way I see it, if Boozer opts in its great for us. We have another year from an All-Star caliber PF, and considering the circumstances, we could be looking at a career year from the guy if he can stay healthy. We will retain Millsap and allow him to slowly become the man at the position behind an already established player. If things aren't going well, we can always trade Boozer and his expiring contract to a team that needs cap relief and potentially get back some very solid peices in the deal. If things do go well, we enjoy an excellent season and pat Boozer on the back on his way out the door.

If he opts out, just as good. Now we aren't looking at paying the luxury tax for next year. Millsap will be able to assume full time starting minutes at the 4 and possibly develop into a star in his own right. Boozer will have almost no leverage in the FA market, and will be forced to come back to us and negotiate an S&T deal to facilitate his departure. In that event, we could easily be looking at 1 or 2 future 1st rounders, anywhere from 6-12m in expiring contracts to flip at the deadline, and possible a solid role player or two.


Win-win.

The only scenario in which we lose is if a team is willing to give Boozer his big money outright and we don't get anything in return. With the recent leaks of Detroit's unwillingness to give Boozer that kind of money, that rules out the only potential destination in which he could get the kind of coin he is looking for.

Now, you tell me why we should be worrying. I just don't get this board sometimes.

[outerspacefella]

Erudite, I really don't think a huge amount of people go out there talking their displeasure for something or someone just because of a "sui generis" sort of thing.

Is Boozer a good player? Yeah! Is Boozer going lead you to the next level? Hell no! He has not the character nor the thoughness nor the interest to put the effort!

Can Millsap be a similar contributor as Boozer? Yes he can, he's been contributing without a single play called for him.

Can Okur take you to the next step? Of course he can, hes one of the clutchest players to ever wear a Jazz uni; he already has made a huge amount of clutch plays for us, and he already has won us so many games.

I read Jazz will do anything they can to keep Millsap/Okur, but I read too that money choices will be analyzed in the general context of the economics of the entire Miller Group.

So... they might put forth a real good effort, but they still can end up missing on Millsap or Okur; and I'd not be ok with Boozer's choice having anything to do with that; he puiblicly said he would opt out to "get a raise regardless"; now don't be a pu$$y and stand by your public word (words nobody force him to spell).

Sorry I'm just a fan. May be there's some GM's forum out there where common fan instincts wouldn't be allowed.

[bstein14]

If Boozer Opts in, would Utah do Boozer + Kover for RIP?

This would save Utah $6+ mil off the lux tax ($12 when factoring in tax) and likely allow Utah to retain Millsap and Okur without too much of a headache.

[GP]

Erudite, I really don't think a huge amount of people go out there talking their displeasure for something or someone just because of a "sui generis" sort of thing.

Is Boozer a good player? Yeah! Is Boozer going lead you to the next level? Hell no! He has not the character nor the thoughness nor the interest to put the effort!

Can Millsap be a similar contributor as Boozer? Yes he can, he's been contributing without a single play called for him.

Can Okur take you to the next step? Of course he can, hes one of the clutchest players to ever wear a Jazz uni; he already has made a huge amount of clutch plays for us, and he already has won us so many games.

I read Jazz will do anything they can to keep Millsap/Okur, but I read too that money choices will be analyzed in the general context of the economics of the entire Miller Group.

So... they might put forth a real good effort, but they still can end up missing on Millsap or Okur; and I'd not be ok with Boozer's choice having anything to do with that; he puiblicly said he would opt out to "get a raise regardless"; now don't be a pu$$y and stand by your public word (words nobody force him to spell).

Sorry I'm just a fan. May be there's some GM's forum out there where common fan instincts wouldn't be allowed.

I think you inadvertently proved his point. You said boozer can't take us to the next level, because he doesn't have the character nor the interest. How do you know this? This was his point, in that, fans think they have some inside knowledge about a players drive or character because they watched play a game, but they didn't see his preparation for the game, or his time in the weight room...etc. So to say positively that boozer has no character nor interest to win a championship is ridiculous.

[outerspacefella]

GP, when you talk about people's intentions or motivations, everything is just the result of the input you get with your senses; nothing more, nothing less than that. It's a guts thing. What other thing could it be? We're talking about human being minds here! Of course nothing is set in stone!
If erudite's point is that no one can make definitive assertions about peoples motivations, then he's righ on it! And then we shouldn't be allowed to talk about anything related with people's behavoir!!!

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

If Boozer Opts in, would Utah do Boozer + Kover for RIP?

This would save Utah $6+ mil off the lux tax ($12 when factoring in tax) and likely allow Utah to retain Millsap and Okur without too much of a headache.

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes. That would be the greatest trade in Jazz history.

[erudite23]

1) If you think that Memo Okur can take us to the "next level" and Carlos Boozer can't, then I don't know what to say to you. Memo is a 3rd option at best on a championship caliber team. He brings some unique abilities, but he is far too limited to lead a team to contender status. Carlos Boozer, for everything everyone has said about him, is one of the top 2 most talented scoring PFs in the league around the hoop. He is a veritable monster as an interior scorer. If you want to win a chip in this league, you have to have players that are right at the top of this game at something. Carlos is an elite interior scorer and an elite rebounder. You can make a strong case that he is the best PF in the league at each of those two things. Memo, meanwhile is an elite shooter...and what else? As good as it is to have a big who CAN shoot, if its not in complement to another big who scores in the paint, you are just killing yourself. Wake up and smell the pile of **** lying at our door, this is a hallucination you've got on your hands.

2) Again, all you can refer back to is one off hand comment that he made in December, which was--admittedly--pretty freakin dumb, but which didn't say ONE SINGLE THING that we weren't already saying on the boards. To wit: if you go back in the archives and look, you will find the general consensus had Boozer and his new contract at anywhere from a minimum of 5yrs 80m (what Brand got) to as much as 6yrs 105m. Needless to say, that is a far cry from the 12.5 that he is scheduled to make next year. His value at that time was percieved to be much higher than it is now. Things change. Why the bitterness? What he said was 100% the case at the time, and a bunch of factors (most of which are impossible to have predicted) have combined to kill his value. What's funny is that now a 5yr 70m deal would likely get it done. 90% of this board would have jumped on that offer 8 months ago.

If Boozer Opts in, would Utah do Boozer + Kover for RIP?

This would save Utah $6+ mil off the lux tax ($12 when factoring in tax) and likely allow Utah to retain Millsap and Okur without too much of a headache.

Veto.

Rip is a good player and a nice vet, but that extension Joe D gave him was one of the dumbest moves of this past year. I like some of the things he brings to the table, but his horrible rebounding and lack of defense would not be a good fit for our squad given what he is going to command in salary.