Jazz should keep both Hinrich and Thomas

[finnegan]

There is a difference between paying some level of luxury tax and paying STUPID levels of luxury tax.

Congratulations on a successful trade.
Due to Utah and Chicago being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Utah and Chicago had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here.


Utah Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
Kirk Hinrich
Outgoing Players
Carlos Boozer

Chicago Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Carlos Boozer
Outgoing Players
Tyrus Thomas
Kirk Hinrich

So roughly speaking Utah is taking on an additional %25 of Boozers salary. Lets say $3 million per year.

How much is a playoff game worth in revenue to the Jazz? 20,000 seats at an average of $50 is $1,000,000. So an extra series is worth roughly $5,000,000

Seems like a reasonable investment to me!

[hoops4life]

Right but they will have to pay dollar for dollar everything that they are over and they don't get the piece of pie from the other teams that are already over.

How far over the tax are they in your scenario above?

[dice]

Utah Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Tyrus Thomas
Kirk Hinrich
Outgoing Players
Carlos Boozer

roughly speaking Utah is taking on an additional %25 of Boozers salary. Lets say $3 million per year.

How much is a playoff game worth in revenue to the Jazz? 20,000 seats at an average of $50 is $1,000,000. So an extra series is worth roughly $5,000,000

Seems like a reasonable investment to me!

Right but they will have to pay dollar for dollar everything that they are over and they don't get the piece of pie from the other teams that are already over.

that's the biggest point. also:

1) it's unlikely you gain an additional playoff round simply by acquiring hinrich and thomas
2) let's say your $1 mil/game figure is correct (accounting for expenses and other revenue as well). you're going to get an average of 3 home games per series, not 5

[Marc]

1) it's unlikely you gain an additional playoff round simply by acquiring hinrich and thomas

You lose Boozer... Not sure how that helps to make the playoffs.

[dice]

1) it's unlikely you gain an additional playoff round simply by acquiring hinrich and thomas

You lose Boozer... Not sure how that helps to make the playoffs.

losing boozer is already assumed. the question is whether the additional lux tax required to keep hinrich is worthwhile instead of shipping him to portland. i think the answer is clearly no

[hoops4life]

David Locke from 1320 stated that it is about $1mil per home playoff game. I think that he is saying 3 home games first round 2 home games the second round?

Still that is only $5million. Jazz will lose out on more than that amount from just the payout the other teams make.

[finnegan]

1) it's unlikely you gain an additional playoff round simply by acquiring hinrich and thomas

My prediction that it advances the Jazz an additional round, and your prediction that it does not are equally accurate at this point. But if you look at it from a perspective of "losses and gains", then I think that the Jazz come out ahead.

At the most basic level, we are getting more back than we are giving up, because Milsap is not a terrible drop off from Boozer, yet Hinrich brings a new dimension and Thomas as a backup to Milsap eases with the drop off at PF.

There are three additional factors to consider:

1) Flexibility,
2) Style of Play,
3) Raw talent or skill level.

1) Hinrich definitely provides Sloan with new options or flexibility against certain teams
2) Hinrichs style of play is highly compatible with the Jazz's style (therefore he may actually improve)
3) Skill Level or Talent seems to be a dropoff in my mind from Boozer, but I'm counting on Milsap and Thomas blossoming with the the team structure. (i.e. more of an outside threat and ball distribution threat with Hinrich)

2) let's say your $1 mil/game figure is correct (accounting for expenses and other revenue as well). you're going to get an average of 3 home games per series, not 5

Good point! My mistake.

If Chicago actually wants more than Boozer, for Hinrich and Thomas, then I say no deal. Because top tier bigs like Boozer are worth more than solid guards like Hinrich.

[hoops4life]

If they want more, I am willing to throw in Harp, Korver, or Miles and a 2nd for good measure.

[finnegan]

If they want more, I am willing to throw in Harp, Korver, or Miles and a 2nd for good measure.

Yes. Harpring makes sense.

I wouldn't be willing to invlude Korver. I think that he is going to have a good year next year, now that his wrist injury has been addressed.

On the other hand, I'm perfectly happy to keep Boozer.