Boozer for Ellis?

[HolyToledo]

Boozer wants to be traded and now Monta Ellis wants to be traded. Here is a trade where both teams get something and gets rid of their disgruntled players.

Jazz get: Monta Ellis, Maggette
GSW get: Boozer, Harpring, Korver and NYK pick

Jazz do it because get talent for Boozer plus Maggette who has said he wants to be in Utah. Jazz save a little on luxury tax burden.

GSW get rid of Ellis long term contract and get expiring contracts to make run at free agents in 2010 while adding NYK pick. Believe GSW would not consider trade unless pick added.

Jazz lineup:
PG WIlliams Price Maynor
SG Ellis Miles Maggette
C Memo Kosta Fess
PF Millsap AK-47
SF Brewer Maggette AK-47 Dupree

[stevebozell]

You really want to give up on a possible top 5 pick for that??

You must be crazy.

[QuantumMacgyver]

Ellis hasn't proven anything other than the fact that he gets $10 million a season. The Jazz are giving up way too much! I'd trade Booz for Maggette and B. Wright plus filler. I'd only move that NYK pick if an all-star or potential all-star is involved. If the pick is anywhere in the lottery its still more valuable than any pick the Jazz have had outside of Deron since John and Karl.

[stevebozell]

It seems all of Toledo's ideas come from the Realgm wiretap....Almost everytime a specific player is mentioned, there is suddenly a Utah trade scenario thread created by him.

I found myself waiting for a new Delonte West to Utah thread.

[kamazilla]

I struggle to convey just how ludicrous this idea is, so I'll condense the multitudinous nature of it's suckitude into ten simple points...

Top Ten reasons why this trade sucks:

10. We trade away our best and only consistent interior offensive threat while receiving no interior presence in return.
9. We trade away the possibility of drafting a second banana for Deron.
8. We trade away $24 M in expiring contracts.
7. We take on large contracts for players which aren't ideal fits for our system.
6. The players we are trading do not suit the system to which they are being traded.
5. We take on players who duplicate the skills and positions of our young core.
4. We do not address any of our glaring needs while simultaneously creating new deficiencies.
3. We instantly become the most height challenged starting 5 in the NBA.
2. We will lack any personnel flexibility due to overcommitment of financial resources.
1. It was written by a committee of monkeys sharing a Blackberry.

[HolyToledo]

So what choices do the Jazz have? Keep Boozer and see him leave at end of year for nothing. HE HAS MINIMAL TRADE VALUE!!!!! Basically, the trade is Maggette for Harpring and Korver. Ellis, a top 5 pick talent, for the NYK pick. Boozer is given away because he is worthless causing a distraction so it is addition by subtraction.

Some of you guys dont understand that you have to give up something to get something. No one going to trade dominque wilkins for nothing like the Jazz did years ago. I am sorry Boozer and NYK pick for Lebron is not going to happen people.

I just dont want Boozer to stay here for the rest of year and have a wasted season. DWILL was shocked that the roster remained the same as it was proven last year in playoffs that this team cannot win it all. Jazz keep it the way it is right now, then Jazz lineup in 2010-2011 season will be...

PG WIlliams Maynor
SG Miles
C Memo (project center picked with NYK pick)
PF Millsap AK-47
SF Brewer

Is this lineup better than the one I suggested?

There are only 2 top notch players in next years draft. A PG and Favors and even if Knicks finish in bottom 5, which I dont think they do, then odds still not good Jazz add Favors. I also question if Favors better than Ellis over the long haul. Ellis is an allstar caliber guard. Favors is Rashard Lewis type talent. There is no DWILL talent in next years draft other than John Wall whom will be #1 pick and Jazz likely wouldnt pick him.

[edfmx86]

i dont know what gets you harder, trading boozer or giving away the NYK pick...

[DelaneyRudd]

lol, I wouldn't trade the NY pick for Monta straight up.

[DelaneyRudd]

Wait I'm seeing Toledo's rationale here. Why would the Jazz need the NY pick when they can just earn the 1st pick themselves?

[sendai91]

Oh, this is really bad. A few more thoughts: Ellis would clash terribly with Sloan, Ellis's contract has to be among the NBA's top ten worst regarding length and value. Ellis either takes minutes away from DWill or Brewer, either of which are disastrous. Maggette is redundant with AK still here, and on top of all of that, we give up the NY pick as well? This is atrocious...

In honesty, I wouldn't trade any combination of Jazz players for Ellis right now. I most certainly wouldn't give up the pick. Ellis's value is so low right now (not talent, but reputation) that the Jazz could probably get him for Harpring and Korver's expiring contracts, and the Jazz front office would still say no to that proposal.

The Jazz could do so much better in trade for Boozer, and if they can't, this makes the team so much worse than they are now. This may be the worst trade proposal I have ever seen on this board.

[loserX]

I like Ellis as a player, but don't really want him here. Don't want Maggette at all. This is not the best use of our assets, so no.

[StocktonShorts]

Please make it stop.

[QuantumMacgyver]

HE HAS MINIMAL TRADE VALUE!!!!! Basically, the trade is Maggette for Harpring and Korver. Ellis, a top 5 pick talent, for the NYK pick.

No this trade is not basically Maggette for Harpring and Korver. This trade is basically $23 million in expiring contracts for close to $100 million in contracts!!!! $100 million!!!!

Some of you guys dont understand that you have to give up something to get something. No one going to trade dominque wilkins for nothing like the Jazz did years ago. I am sorry Boozer and NYK pick for Lebron is not going to happen people.

Kobe Bryant-Vlade Divac, Robert Traylor-Dirk Nowitski, Caron Butler-Kwame Brown, Jamal Crawford-Speedy Claxton and Acie Law, Marcus camby-2 second round picks... yes people do still trade something for nothing.
And secondly if Boozer has "minimal trade value" then why would GS trade an "all-star caliber top 5 talent" for him? You're going directly against your own argument here.

There are only 2 top notch players in next years draft. A PG and Favors and even if Knicks finish in bottom 5, which I dont think they do, then odds still not good Jazz add Favors. .

John Wall, Ed Davis, Derrick Favors, Cole Aldrich, Willie Warren, Donatas Motiejunas, AlFarouq Aminu.
Nearly every mock draft says these guys all have high ceilings. Many even rate Ed Davis and Cole Aldrich ahead of Favors. It's far too early to claim that there are only 2 top notch players in next years draft.

Ellis just doesn't make sense here and it would be a disaster to tie our hand financially for the next 4 years just to move Boozer for "something".

Everyone should just be patient and trust that the Jazz PROFESSIONALS know what they are doing. It's not like Isiah Thomas or Kevin McHale are running the show for the Jazz. Worst case scenario if the Jazz try to build Boozers trade value til the deadline and ultimately trade him for nothing more than they could've now... distractions and Millsap playing time. We aren't gonna win a championship this year anyhow so that seems like a fair risk.

[QuantumMacgyver]

Worst case scenario if the Jazz try to build Boozers trade value til the deadline and ultimately trade him for nothing more than they could've now... distractions and Millsap playing time. We aren't gonna win a championship this year anyhow so that seems like a fair risk.

Wow, this paragraph is confusing! Should have worded that differently!

[HouseofBoozer]

HT you must be the only person ever to think that a 20/10 guy is worthless trade bait. Also bringing up the point of trading Dominique Wilkins for nothing is exactly how this trade would be seen 5 years from now. It's saying something that this might be the dumbest trade proposal yet. I maintain I don't think you're a real Jazz fan. You must be a Lakers fan trying to make all Jazz fans go crazy by your posts.