The Two Headed Pasty Monster

erudite23 · Post #1 » by **erudite23** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:03 pm

Fes and Kosta seem to be roughly neck-and-neck with where they stand in the eyes of the coaching staff. This should lead to some games where KK gets a lot of burn and Fes is overlooked, and vice versa. With that in mind, we should judge the collective progress of the two by their combined production in games. Looking at it that way, we saw a 15point, 11rebound, 1assist, 2block, 5PF on 7/11 FGs and 1/1 FTs in 33 combined minutes.

That is a true monster performance. If that was just one young big guy, everyone would be buzzing about this performance. But it amounts to the same thing. We got great production out of them last game. If they can continue to produce at that rate, we could afford to trade Boozer for a sweet shooting wing and give them a bigger role coming off the bench.

Post #2 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:32 pm

If they do trade Boozer I'd like to see Memo and Fesenko play at the same time. I think Memo is a more natural 4.

Soul Patch · Post #3 » by **Soul Patch** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:56 pm

I told you bastards Fesenko would come around. I see Fes getting more burn just because he plays bigger than Koufos does.

outerspacefella · Post #4 » by **outerspacefella** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:06 am

erudite23 wrote:Fes and Kosta.... 15point, 11rebound, 1assist, 2block, 5PF on 7/11 FGs and 1/1 FTs in 33 ...minutes. ... true monster performance.

When was the last time the Jazz got that numbers from a real center?

outerspacefella · Post #5 » by **outerspacefella** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 12:09 am

Soul Patch wrote:I told you bastards Fesenko would come around...

I've always been on that boat too... I suppose I'm not a bastard! 8-)

Neon Black · Post #6 » by **Neon Black** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 2:21 am

I have always ridden on the Koufos boat as well, but I was conceived in the back of a car and am, by definition, a bastard.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #7 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 2:36 am

I'm not drinking the Fes cool aid yet, he has shown us that he can play in 1 game so far. I will start to be intrigued when he can have a few solid games stringed together. Fes did the same thing last season against the Lakers and than he disappeared/sat on the bench for the rest of the year.

erudite23 · Post #8 » by **erudite23** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 4:07 am

outerspacefella wrote:
erudite23 wrote:Fes and Kosta.... 15point, 11rebound, 1assist, 2block, 5PF on 7/11 FGs and 1/1 FTs in 33 ...minutes. ... true monster performance.

When was the last time the Jazz got that numbers from a real center?

Looooooong time, my friend. A long time.

How long depends on whether you classify Tag as a real center or not. :wink:

partnerfusion · Post #9 » by **partnerfusion** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 7:16 am

You mention that if Fes and Koufus continue to play well we gain the luxury of being able to trade Boozer for an amazing wing player rather than needing to swap him for a big. I agree completely but am very curious as to who people see as their ideal wingman to put alongside Deron. Dream big as we not only have Boozer but also Harprings expiring and even the NY pick if we really want to go after a big time wing.

Personally, two guys that interest me (although both play the 3 more than the 2) are Gerald Wallace and Andre Iguodala. Neither fit your description as sweet outside shooters but both are athletic, aggressive and willing to play defense.

DiscoLives4ever · Post #10 » by **DiscoLives4ever** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 7:51 am

partnerfusion wrote:You mention that if Fes and Koufus continue to play well we gain the luxury of being able to trade Boozer for an amazing wing player rather than needing to swap him for a big. I agree completely but am very curious as to who people see as their ideal wingman to put alongside Deron. Dream big as we not only have Boozer but also Harprings expiring and even the NY pick if we really want to go after a big time wing.

Personally, two guys that interest me (although both play the 3 more than the 2) are Gerald Wallace and Andre Iguodala. Neither fit your description as sweet outside shooters but both are athletic, aggressive and willing to play defense.

I've always wanted to see Iggy here, and been intrigued by Crash, but I think we need to be certain to get both defense AND shooting. Even if it's somebody a little past there prime (Hamilton, Carter, etc) or somebody injury prone (Richardson) it may be enough to put us over the top. Guys I'd love to see that more or less fit that bill are Ben Gordon or Kirk Hinrich.

jazzed77 · Post #11 » by **jazzed77** » Sun Nov 1, 2009 6:52 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I'm not drinking the Fes cool aid yet, he has shown us that he can play in 1 game so far. I will start to be intrigued when he can have a few solid games stringed together. Fes did the same thing last season against the Lakers and than he disappeared/sat on the bench for the rest of the year.

Do you recall him actually disapearing after that game ((as in his performance sucked) or did he just get benched for some unknown to anyone but the coaching staff reason?

erudite23 · Post #12 » by **erudite23** » Mon Nov 2, 2009 3:03 am

My ideal wing to pair with Deron would be Devin Durant. Big enough?

Now, realistically, I would like someone like an Iguodala, VC or Manu. We need a guy who can create off the dribble, but still be a threat from outside. The real issue is not one of fit nearly so much as one of money. We would need a guy who a) has at least a reasonable contract, if not one who is actually signed below his value long term and b) doesn't make any more than 10m per, preferably more in the 8 or 9 range. We can have a big time guy, but salary is such a huge issue here with AK and his albatross hanging around our neck that the real ideal here is getting back a young guy who is in his 3rd year on his rookie deal but who has already proven himself as well. Problem is, you simply can't pry those types away from teams unless you are sending them a Shaq, TMac or Garnett type player. Too much to get in return, even for a top player like Booz.