AK for Maggette & #6

[dr0welf]

I really like Cousins and would love to see him in a Jazz uni. I don't see him falling to 6 though, and I don't see opportunity to trade up to get him if he doesn't fall to 6.

But if he fell to 6, I would do this trade in less then a heartbeat

[blackham9258]

We trade to six by swapping AK for Maggette and #6, then swap #6 and the Memphis pick for #4. We only complete the first deal if we have the second deal set up. Minny only does this if they want one of the stud SF's (Aminu or Johnson) and are okay taking either at #6, and picking up a future lottery pick for the 2 spot difference.

This is a win for all teams. We have the goods to do this. This is the last draft to do this.

Again, I say then trade the #9 for #16 & #23 with Minny, or #12,25,28 with Memphis. Perhaps thats how we get Minny to do it, swap #9 for #16 & #23 instead of the future Memphis pick. Either way, if GS was willing this is a doable deal. One that the Jazz should do.

No one will fault them long term for swinging for the fences and given the fact that our only true way to a championship is through the draft this is our best shot.

We can't trade from our standard picks in the 20's without giving up something of huge value to get into the top #5, but with the 9th pick this year... this is the year to get creative.

My hope is that O'Connor did this before...6 to 3 for Deron. Now he must go #9 to #4, and he has expirings and future picks to pull of the goods.

Do it. Do it now!

[countrybama24]

You clearly do that trade if you can get Cousins or Johnson (any of the standard top 5), whether Maguette plays a minute or not.

Cousins critics only have potential personality issues as their criticism. He's a giant, was super efficient, unlike most busts listed so far has fantastic touch and scoring ability, super long to make up for even poor defensive skills (see bynum) and (cliche, I know) a ton of upside.

His down side listed above was Zach Randolph? Randolph is 260 and 6 '8 with a 6 '10 wingspan... he averages 20-10. Cousins is 290 and 6 '10 with a 7 '6 wingspan. If he is a bigger, longer zach randolph, and tries even in the slightest to defend, he'd be worth every penny.

Johnson is also possibly great for us, but I'll keep it short.

[CrymeTime]

Raptor fan here. I am not sure if AK47 is expiring or not, but if he isn't, would you do this trade?

AK47, #9
for
Banks, Evans, Belli, #13

the 3 players combine for a little over $12M in expiring salary.

if AK47 is expiring, maybe you could replace him with a slightly longer contract. Okur, Millsap(very unlikely)

[endlessraine]

gsw here. The most I'll consider is AK for Maggette + CJ watson, one of the D-leaguer or the 2nd round pick. No 6th pick. AK is getting old his overall numbers are decreasing each year. You can oppose it in every way you can but thats how I see it. No way GSW will trade the 6th pick to a western conference team esp Utah.

[countrybama24]

gsw here. The most I'll consider is AK for Maggette + CJ watson, one of the D-leaguer or the 2nd round pick. No 6th pick. AK is getting old his overall numbers are decreasing each year. You can oppose it in every way you can but thats how I see it. No way GSW will trade the 6th pick to a western conference team esp Utah.

While I wouldn't bet on it, I think it's more plausible than you give it credit for. Maguette has like 4 more years left on his contract, and we would be shipping you an 18 million dollar expiring, freeing up at least 12-14 mil in cap space for the summer of 2011. If you're front office isn't that impressed by any of the choices, It wouldn't surprise me much (especially if we throwing in the #9).

That said, I still wouldn't bet on it. It's just possible.

[countrybama24]

Raptor fan here. I am not sure if AK47 is expiring or not, but if he isn't, would you do this trade?

AK47, #9
for
Banks, Evans, Belli, #13

the 3 players combine for a little over $12M in expiring salary.

if AK47 is expiring, maybe you could replace him with a slightly longer contract. Okur, Millsap(very unlikely)

AK is expiring.... at 18 mil. Add in that our pick is worth more, and those salaries don't match up.

As such, we're prob not gonna take trade away the best player in the trade to take on crappier players, AND move down in the draft. I'd be happy to do that trade if we didn't include our pick.

[StocktonShorts]

I'd be happy to do that trade if we didn't include our pick.

Why? Why trade AK for three scrubs who make nearly as much? I don't get it.

gsw here. The most I'll consider is AK for Maggette + CJ watson, one of the D-leaguer or the 2nd round pick. No 6th pick. AK is getting old his overall numbers are decreasing each year. You can oppose it in every way you can but thats how I see it. No way GSW will trade the 6th pick to a western conference team esp Utah.

Never underestimate the desire of up-for-sale franchises to shed future salary committments. I could very easily see the W's trading down just to get free of Maggette. Just because the Warriors fans wouldn't do it doesn't meant the people actually calling the shots won't.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

When did AK get old or have his numbers decrease each year? Didn't his numbers increase this year?

[510TWSS]

If Cousins or Johnson fall to 6, the Warriors wouldn't trade their pick. They're supposedly high on Johnson, and Cousins just fits too much to make sense. We make this trade if/only if a top 5 player doesn't fall. I'd argue for the #9 in return, but damn Maggette's contract is long...

[510TWSS]

And as for the above scenario I will cite last year's non-trade for Amare once it was clear that Curry would fall to us, who was said to be 2nd on our draft board behind Griffin.

[countrybama24]

I'd be happy to do that trade if we didn't include our pick.

Why? Why trade AK for three scrubs who make nearly as much? I don't get it.

They all expire anyways, and we net the 13th pick. We got ronnie brewer around there, and I'll take a young productive player (take a shot on whiteside? maybe henry falls that far?) for losing a little talent (on a year rental anyways).

[kamazilla]

Going forward, I really see Utah being a better team with AK this season and beyond. Why would the Jazz be so eager to give him away now, after having invested so many millions in him, when they could retain his services for a very reasonable price after the upcoming season? He has intimated that he would be willing to play here for a discount, and no one on the team can offer his unique and very game impacting set of skills. It would be one thing to gain value in trading him, but to just surrender his value for cap relief would only create more holes to fill.

In spite of some widespread opinion that the Jazz can afford to let players the caliber of Boozer and AK go with no commensurate exchange of value and still remain competitive- well... they can't. The talent pool is growing ever more shallow after the loss of Maynor and Brewer, and should the Jazz not reverse the trend now, there is little doubt Williams' current contract will be his last in Utah- at which point the pool evaporates completely.