Fire Kevin O'Connor

Post #21 » by **StocktonShorts** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:08 pm

hoops4life wrote: Boozer, Korver (grossly overpaid), and Mathews (possibly & grossly overpaid).

I would actually argue that Korver and Boozer weren't grossly overpaid.

Kyle Korver got a very reasonable three-year, $15M deal. The Jazz had been paying him ~$5M/year.

Boozer got a five-year, $80M deal, which is about what you'd end up with if you gave him a modest (by NBA standards) 8% annual raise (based on this last year's salary) each year. I don't think that's grossly overpaying.

kamazilla · Post #22 » by **kamazilla** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:43 pm

In a free market, value is determined by supply and demand. There were no shortages of suitors for any of their own free agents the Jazz failed to secure before their contracts expired; clearly the demand is strong. Boozer and Korver each offer unique skill sets, which is to say the supply is extremely limited. Boozer's contract is perfectly reasonable for the skills he offers. So is Korver's. The failure by the Jazz is not recognizing the value in the assets they had. If they really didn't anticipate the nature of this years market, it only serves to prove the point that management has been ineffective.

If anyone questions what is meant by the exodus of players out of Utah, I would question if they paying any attention whatsoever. Should the Jazz not match Portland's offer, Matthews would make three(!) starters and two primary bench players who have left since the beginning of last season.

Boozer, Korver, Brewer, Matthews and Maynor. Throw a decent center into that line-up and you would have a passable first six rotation. Now, what the hell we're y'all sayin' about management doing such a fine job? Lets just stop trying whitewash this thing and acknowledge what is- the Jazz are sacrificing the competitive prospects of the team over the next two seasons, at the likely cost of loosing D-Will, all in the name of advantageous financial positioning in anticipation of the new CBA.

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #23 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:41 pm

Yes, because being a playoff team nearly every year of our existence is a bad thing....you guys are morons if you think we should fire KOC. What do you really expect from him and this team? If you haven't noticed we do not live in LA, Boston, Miami, New York, New Jersey or one of the other big markets. Just look around at the other teams with comparable markets to ours and see how good they have done. Wake up and get a reality check would you? You've been spoiled with the abnormal ammounts of winning we have had here in Utah and now you guys are demanding things that are honestly a bit out of reach (for now at least). Just be patient for once, it's not like you've ever had to do it before but I'm sure you could muster up the balls to do it for now.

/rant.

Post #24 » by **StocktonShorts** » Mon Jul 12, 2010 11:00 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Yes, because being a playoff team nearly every year of our existence is a bad thing....you guys are morons if you think we should fire KOC. What do you really expect from him and this team? If you haven't noticed we do not live in LA, Boston, Miami, New York, New Jersey or one of the other big markets. Just look around at the other teams with comparable markets to ours and see how good they have done. Wake up and get a reality check would you? You've been spoiled with the abnormal ammounts of winning we have had here in Utah and now you guys are demanding things that are honestly a bit out of reach (for now at least). Just be patient for once, it's not like you've ever had to do it before but I'm sure you could muster up the balls to do it for now.

/rant.

*removed*

In the past ten years the Jazz have averaged 46 wins and have won five playoff series. Given the state of the roster and the salary cap right now, I really doubt they make the playoffs this year. I put a lot of that blame on KOC's inability to manage the roster and the cap.

rednecksbasketball · Post #25 » by **rednecksbasketball** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 12:45 am

Sometimes the best move is not to make a move. Carlos Boozer got a rediculas contract and will be making like 16 million dollars into his mid 30s. A time when most players in this league start to wear down and get injured a lot. Boozer already gets injured a lot. So giving Boozer a max deal is a lot more risk than reward. Yes he could play all 82 games next season, but what about the season after that or the season after that? Just because the Jazz kept Boozer doesn't mean that Deron will automatically reup when his deals done. Deron could leave and leave the Jazz stranded with an old and injured Carlos Boozer. I think ultimately the decission not to re-sign Boozer will be a good one.

When the Jazz drafted Gordon Hayward the writing was on the wall that they were going to let Kyle Korver go. Losing Korver is not as big of a deal as many people make it out to be. I know he's liked around Utah and there are dry panties in the ESA but he's replacable and it's likely that Hayward will be that replacement.

KOC cannot help it if Portland is stupid. They're going to over pay for Matthews and the Jazz aren't going to match. Why? Because Wes Matthews isn't worth that kind of money and can be replaced.

These are moves that every NBA team has to deal with, and KOC's biggest mistakes have not come this season. They came years ago by blowing draft pick after draft pick. If you want to criticism him for not making a correct pick in all put 1 of his first round draft picks(Ronnie Brewer was the only one he got right; Deron isn't bad but CP3 is better and Deron doesn't hurt) than criticism him on that.

Post #26 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:18 am

rednecksbasketball wrote:If you want to criticism him for not making a correct pick in all put 1 of his first round draft picks(Ronnie Brewer was the only one he got right; Deron isn't bad but CP3 is better and Deron doesn't hurt) than criticism him on that.

Ok. Like how he could've picked Al Jefferson but picked Kris Humphries instead?

(I'm just trying to stay topical)

Jazzfan12 · Post #27 » by **Jazzfan12** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:45 am

I think Snyder over Josh Smith two picks later was far worse, but at least Snyder was the BPA and Smith wasn't considered a first-round prospect.

Post #28 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:55 am

If this Jefferson deal goes through I'm willing to commute KOC's sentence. It seems like every time I publicly slam him he makes good on something. I will try to use this power wisely.

HammerDunk · Post #29 » by **HammerDunk** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:59 am

Well done Prole. I'm not hugely excited about big Al, but at least KOC did something. If Portland could just fall off the map, maybe this place would calm down a bit.

Post #30 » by **jazzfan1971** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:16 am

Fire up Kevin O'Connor.

Post #31 » by **StocktonShorts** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:18 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Fire up Kevin O'Connor.

Right. Right. That's what I meant to say.

CarrKeefe · Post #32 » by **CarrKeefe** » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:36 am

KOC redeems himself. Well done.

Now we could really screw over the Grizzlies be re-signing Brewer. The protected 1st round pick we are likely sending the Wolves is from the Brewer trade. So out of that trade if we can get Jefferson then just re-sign Brewer? Awesome.

DWillBooz467 · Post #33 » by **DWillBooz467** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:02 am

Bump.

Way to go getting Bell for way less than Matthews. He will be missed but Raja will fill in nicely. KOC has definitely done well imo. Way to keep us competitive!

Oh and can I get a name change please? :oops:

MeestR · Post #34 » by **MeestR** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:11 am

DWillBooz467 wrote:Bump.

Way to go getting Bell for way less than Matthews. He will be missed but Raja will fill in nicely. KOC has definitely done well imo. Way to keep us competitive!

Oh and can I get a name change please?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=40
feedback and suggestions can be your friend and very entertaining!

DWillBooz467 · Post #35 » by **DWillBooz467** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:18 am

MeestR wrote:
DWillBooz467 wrote:Bump.

Way to go getting Bell for way less than Matthews. He will be missed but Raja will fill in nicely. KOC has definitely done well imo. Way to keep us competitive!

Oh and can I get a name change please?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=40
feedback and suggestions can be your friend and very entertaining!

Cool! I just assumed it was a no.

Any suggestions on what I should change it to? :lol:

I'm thinking something not player related this time.

Post #36 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:25 am

Name changes are on hold at the moment. Too many Bosh names out there....

MeestR · Post #37 » by **MeestR** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:30 am

hadnt thought about all teh upset toronto fans out wanting to change their names. they shoulda stuck with an obscure 12th man from the early days of their franchise.

HammerDunk · Post #38 » by **HammerDunk** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 6:38 am

Going with the classic Jazz name was on purpose for me. The Hot Rod "hammer dunk" call for Malone was also very nostalgic for me. Old school never changes.

Fido · Post #39 » by **Fido** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 3:22 pm

Nice to see at least some of the posters in this thread to admit they were wrong about KOC--those who haven't are still wrong. lol

Yung D-Will · Post #40 » by **Yung D-Will** » Thu Jul 15, 2010 5:07 pm

I've never understood the KOC bashing.