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Post#21 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:32 pm

No thanks on the Bucks trade, I like our guys more than yours and mixing things up that much would be a bad idea. If the Jazz make a move it should only involve one or two players at the most as to not mess up team chemistry completely.

If we could find a way to bring Bogut over here for cheap I would do it but that's not going to happen. Maggs would be nice coming off the bench but I rather have Iggy or someone else.

What would you guys think of trying to make a run at Derrick Favors if the Nets can't get a deal done to land Melo? There had been talk of the Nets trying to trade him since they drafted him and if they can't land Melo they might be willing to look at other options. I've always felt like he has the potential to be a superstar in this league and the Jazz organization would be a great place for him to develop and blossom. Not sure how realistic of an option he would be but....

I'm also going to bring up Jason Thompson again...I still feel like he would be a nice addition to our bench. He would essentially take over Fesenko's job and provide a legit challenge to Elson for back-up minutes.

Not saying AK would be involved with either of those trades since the money would be hard to workout but just a couple more players to throw out there....
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#22 » by Efernand » Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:16 pm

1. We ain't getting Melo
2. Jamison was supposed to be the guy who put Cleveland over the top when they traded for him last year and he's been awful since they got him. Why would you think he'd put us over the top?
3. Iggy is not a consistent shooter and has a ton of money left on his contract.

The only one that would actually help us and would be possible to get of the ones you posted would be Prince.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#23 » by Ming Kong! » Sun Dec 12, 2010 6:57 pm

HappyProle wrote:That trade really unbalances the Jazz's roster. They'd end up with:

C: Okur, Bogut, Elson
PF: Jefferson, Millsap, Gooden
SF: Jeremy Evans (!)
SG: Raja Bell, Corey Maggette, Ronnie Price
PG: Deron Williams, Earl Watson, Earl Boykins

That just doesn't make sense.


You really think Bogut is coming off the bench!? 14ppg 12rpg 3bpg, despite a slow start, isn't good enough for you? Maggette is a SF more than a SG, why would start Evans? The only negative thing about this trade is that we further trim our depth at SF/SG, but Evans can use the PT, he's gonna be good, and Price has been nice, he could definitely use those back up SG minutes, and Williams has handled the SG well too. We can pick up players for added depth at SF too.

Really silly that I elaborate much on this trade, cause there is NO WAY that the Bucks trade their best player, one of the league's best C's, for a 1 year rental (AK), an inconsistent 6th man in Miles (Maggette is much better), probably our two worst players in Fes and Hayward, and one our draft picks which is guaranteed to be a late first round pick.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#24 » by StocktonShorts » Sun Dec 12, 2010 7:10 pm

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HappyProle wrote:That trade really unbalances the Jazz's roster. They'd end up with:

C: Okur, Bogut, Elson
PF: Jefferson, Millsap, Gooden
SF: Jeremy Evans (!)
SG: Raja Bell, Corey Maggette, Ronnie Price
PG: Deron Williams, Earl Watson, Earl Boykins

That just doesn't make sense.


You really think Bogut is coming off the bench!? 14ppg 12rpg 3bpg, despite a slow start, isn't good enough for you? Maggette is a SF more than a SG, why would start Evans? The only negative thing about this trade is that we further trim our depth at SF/SG, but Evans can use the PT, he's gonna be good, and Price has been nice, he could definitely use those back up SG minutes, and Williams has handled the SG well too. We can pick up players for added depth at SF too.

Really silly that I elaborate much on this trade, cause there is NO WAY that the Bucks trade their best player, one of the league's best C's, for a 1 year rental (AK), an inconsistent 6th man in Miles (Maggette is much better), probably our two worst players in Fes and Hayward, and one our draft picks which is guaranteed to be a late first round pick.


I wasn't really making a depth chart, I was just trying to show how thin it would make the Jazz at certain positions.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#25 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Sun Dec 12, 2010 8:50 pm

I'm really liking the idea of swapping AK and a 1st rounder for Iggy and Jason Kapono. We could even throw in Hayward or some other picks if they need the deal sweetened up.

New depth chart would be...
D-Will/Watson/Price
Bell/Price/Kapono/Hayward
Iggy/CJ/Kapono/Hayward/Evans
Millsap/Elson/Evans
Jefferson/Okur/Fesenko

You would essentially keep the rotation the same except plug Iggy into AK's minutes and give Elson/Evans more run at the backup 4 spot. You could just throw in Kapono when you need more outside shooting.

I feel like adding Iggy and Kapono would give us some more versatility on offense and would give us a whole new scoring dimension. Kapono is going to make 3's and Iggy can run the floor, pass and slash/drive the lane. His driving/slashing abilities would help us immensely on offense and would help take some of the scoring load off of Deron's shoulders. His drive and dish skills would work really well with the game of Millsap and Jefferson. His ability to run the floor and his athleticism would fit great along side of Deron.

Iggy is a better on ball defender than AK (IMO) and his ability to steal the ball would be similar to that of Brewer. His athleticism allows him to rebound well enough for a SG/SF and I wouldn't expect our rebounding to take a major hit from losing AK and replacing him with Iggy. Iggy would also provide some defensive relief for Bell since they could most likely swap guys on D for a few possessions if needed.

Kapono would be a great guy to throw in when we needed to bust the zone from the outside. He also gives you a decently sized expiring contract to drop our payroll back down at the end of the season.

I imagine Iggy being a hybrid of AK and Brewer in our system. Kapono is comparable to Korver.

The major hit from losing AK would be help defense and probably passing until Iggy could adjust to the system. We would also lose overall versatility but you would add more consistency and bolster our overall offensive capabilities and permitter D.

I know I've been saying we should never trade AK for a long time now but I just can't help but think this trade would greatly benefit the team. If AK truly wants to re-sign here in the off season...just have some discussions with him before the trade about brining him back in FA and pick him up then. Should be no problem :D
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#26 » by Soul Patch » Sun Dec 12, 2010 10:21 pm

Under most circumstances I'd be down for the Iggy-Kapono trade but with all the new guys we have on the team this year AK's experience seems too valuable to give up. How many times did you see Jefferson talking to Kirilenko after a broken play earlier in the season? I also think he's one of the best players for Hayward and Evans to learn from. If he can impart some of his weak side shot blocking knowledge to Evans we'd have one hell of a bench player.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#27 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:14 am

Soul Patch wrote:Under most circumstances I'd be down for the Iggy-Kapono trade but with all the new guys we have on the team this year AK's experience seems too valuable to give up. How many times did you see Jefferson talking to Kirilenko after a broken play earlier in the season? I also think he's one of the best players for Hayward and Evans to learn from. If he can impart some of his weak side shot blocking knowledge to Evans we'd have one hell of a bench player.

True, his experience and leadership would be missed but do you pass up an opportunity like that for it? He may not be sticking around after this season anyways...he can tutor them until the trade which is most of the season...
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#28 » by OzSonic » Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:20 pm

Is Iggy available though? I just can't see it happening.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#29 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 5:44 pm

Rumors have had Iggy on the block...Philly denied them but that's typical of an organization.

What do you guys think about making a move for OJ Mayo? Sounds like Memphis wants to get rid of him. I think he would be a great pickup. He can handle the ball, score and is an under-rated defender. He would be awesome alongside of D-Will.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#30 » by The59Sound » Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:32 pm

HappyProle wrote:That trade really unbalances the Jazz's roster. They'd end up with:

C: Okur, Bogut, Elson
PF: Jefferson, Millsap, Gooden
SF: Jeremy Evans (!)
SG: Raja Bell, Corey Maggette, Ronnie Price
PG: Deron Williams, Earl Watson, Earl Boykins

That just doesn't make sense.


First of all, Bogut would definitely start, my friend. :)

You're absolutely right, though. I couldn't think of a better fit for the Jazz than Andrew, but I hate all the other pieces in the trade.
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#31 » by The59Sound » Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:36 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Rumors have had Iggy on the block...Philly denied them but that's typical of an organization.

What do you guys think about making a move for OJ Mayo? Sounds like Memphis wants to get rid of him. I think he would be a great pickup. He can handle the ball, score and is an under-rated defender. He would be awesome alongside of D-Will.


What do we have that would interest Memphis?
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Re: Time to trade Ak-47 

Post#32 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:40 pm

The59Sound wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Rumors have had Iggy on the block...Philly denied them but that's typical of an organization.

What do you guys think about making a move for OJ Mayo? Sounds like Memphis wants to get rid of him. I think he would be a great pickup. He can handle the ball, score and is an under-rated defender. He would be awesome alongside of D-Will.


What do we have that would interest Memphis?

Depends on what they want.

Maybe Memo?

Who knows...it's Memphis...
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