I wonder how many Jimmer would drop on the Jazz

[gojazzmjsucks]

I really need to watch BYU before i can comment on this. Ill watch him in the NCAA. remember im from RI so hes not on TV all the time here.

[rick333]

Okay I guess I have more. Jaycee has better career stats (college career) than Jimmer and he was undrafted and went to spain. I'm sick of this hype. It's crap.

And for those of you who will say "oh Jimmer dropped x amount on these guys, well guess what, Jaycee dropped 44 on these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w94ogRx8Smc



So please, I beg you, enough with the Jimmer garbage.

We need a good 2 guard that has height! If we use the Nets pick on Jimmer I'll puke.

The major difference is the quality of opponent.

Utah State didn't even sniff the top 25 in 07-08. They got one vote from the AP poll, one week that entire season and then lost in the NIT. BYU is a top 10 team this year with a very strong strength of schedule. Fredette is doing it against much better defenders and he's getting his team to incomparably different heights.

Any comparison of stats has to take that into account to be taken seriously, otherwise it's just abuse of numbers. How often do we discount NBA players for putting up numbers as part of a losing team, or against a bad defense? And that's when it happens in the same league, these two may as well be playing on different continents. We can throw out star calls, he had one free throw and he was finishing through contact. In the biggest games of the year, Fredette has poured in huge scoring totals to force close wins, and that is what makes numbers meaningful in basketball. Your argument from stats comparison is weak.

I'll listen to arguments from size and body type, though. This will be a challenge for Fredette in the NBA. However, this isn't the biggest question mark. He's handled good defenders (e.g., Dairese Gary, DJ Gay), and been the focus of good defenses (e.g., Utah State, New Mexico, SDSU). Right now he's making it look easy: he's clearly hard to guard, which is why he gets the shots he gets.

In my mind, the biggest worry is about his role. He's effective with the ball in his hands taking lots of shots in iso and off of high picks, which is going to be hard to get from an NBA team off the bat. But it's going to take survival skills to stay in the NBA (probably for the length of his rookie contract). His game looks nothing like JJ Redick's (Fredete is more than a shooter), but he should pay attention to how Redick has managed to survive to his next payday. If he can get over that hump, I think he's got a real chance to make a difference in the NBA.

As far as BYU schedule goes. Haven't most of the teams that BYU played this year been unranked losing teams?

Hate to say it but you are just a typical USU fan. You have to give credit where credit is due. All USU fans get so damn defensive about Jimmer. My hell the kid has proven he can play, and does step up to the plate when it matters. You can't deny that.

[Luigi]

Okay I guess I have more. Jaycee has better career stats (college career) than Jimmer and he was undrafted and went to spain. I'm sick of this hype. It's crap.

And for those of you who will say "oh Jimmer dropped x amount on these guys, well guess what, Jaycee dropped 44 on these guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w94ogRx8Smc



So please, I beg you, enough with the Jimmer garbage.

We need a good 2 guard that has height! If we use the Nets pick on Jimmer I'll puke.

The major difference is the quality of opponent.

Utah State didn't even sniff the top 25 in 07-08. They got one vote from the AP poll, one week that entire season and then lost in the NIT. BYU is a top 10 team this year with a very strong strength of schedule. Fredette is doing it against much better defenders and he's getting his team to incomparably different heights.

Any comparison of stats has to take that into account to be taken seriously, otherwise it's just abuse of numbers. How often do we discount NBA players for putting up numbers as part of a losing team, or against a bad defense? And that's when it happens in the same league, these two may as well be playing on different continents. We can throw out star calls, he had one free throw and he was finishing through contact. In the biggest games of the year, Fredette has poured in huge scoring totals to force close wins, and that is what makes numbers meaningful in basketball. Your argument from stats comparison is weak.

I'll listen to arguments from size and body type, though. This will be a challenge for Fredette in the NBA. However, this isn't the biggest question mark. He's handled good defenders (e.g., Dairese Gary, DJ Gay), and been the focus of good defenses (e.g., Utah State, New Mexico, SDSU). Right now he's making it look easy: he's clearly hard to guard, which is why he gets the shots he gets.

In my mind, the biggest worry is about his role. He's effective with the ball in his hands taking lots of shots in iso and off of high picks, which is going to be hard to get from an NBA team off the bat. But it's going to take survival skills to stay in the NBA (probably for the length of his rookie contract). His game looks nothing like JJ Redick's (Fredete is more than a shooter), but he should pay attention to how Redick has managed to survive to his next payday. If he can get over that hump, I think he's got a real chance to make a difference in the NBA.

As far as BYU schedule goes. Haven't most of the teams that BYU played this year been unranked losing teams?

http://realtimerpi.com/