Should we rebuild completely?

[Litany]

One important thing we are ignoring is he had Kareem.

Was Kareem the best player on that team or was Magic?

I don't know.

So yeah, my argument still stands. Need bigs or wings. In his case he had Kareem, best big in the league at that time. I would argue they were both very important to that teams success. But you cant ignore that Kareem was just as important and that supports my argument.

[jazzed77]

While I think Sap could be a starting PF on a championship team I think that it would take too many roster moves for that team to be the Jazz...I'd prefer keeping him as either the starting SF or as 6th man...like I said in another thread I'd like to see the Jazz aquire a Mayo/Gordon type at PG and let Hayward run the offense

[Litany]

While I think Sap could be a starting PF on a championship team I think that it would take too many roster moves for that team to be the Jazz...I'd prefer keeping him as either the starting SF or as 6th man...like I said in another thread I'd like to see the Jazz aquire a Mayo/Gordon type at PG and let Hayward run the offense

What team in the league wouldn't struggle having him as their starting PF?

Rewatch that game vs the Lakers. Notice all the times Favors is able to tip the ball to himself. No way Millsap gets any of those rebounds, meaning, we would lose, because less 2nd chance opps, and less putbacks.

So no, I still don't see how a championship team has Sap as their starting PF.

I love Sap. But he is limited by his genetics. You can't have him work harder so his arms grow longer and he gets taller and like it or not, that matters.

He needs to face bench PF to get his.

[StocktonShorts]

While I think Sap could be a starting PF on a championship team I think that it would take too many roster moves for that team to be the Jazz...I'd prefer keeping him as either the starting SF or as 6th man...like I said in another thread I'd like to see the Jazz aquire a Mayo/Gordon type at PG and let Hayward run the offense

What team in the league wouldn't struggle having him as their starting PF?

Rewatch that game vs the Lakers. Notice all the times Favors is able to tip the ball to himself. No way Millsap gets any of those rebounds, meaning, we would lose, because less 2nd chance opps, and less putbacks.

So no, I still don't see how a championship team has Sap as their starting PF.

I love Sap. But he is limited by his genetics. You can't have him work harder so his arms grow longer and he gets taller and like it or not, that matters.

He needs to face bench PF to get his.

Point guard crap aside, I think we agree on these points.

[Litany]

While I think Sap could be a starting PF on a championship team I think that it would take too many roster moves for that team to be the Jazz...I'd prefer keeping him as either the starting SF or as 6th man...like I said in another thread I'd like to see the Jazz aquire a Mayo/Gordon type at PG and let Hayward run the offense

What team in the league wouldn't struggle having him as their starting PF?

Rewatch that game vs the Lakers. Notice all the times Favors is able to tip the ball to himself. No way Millsap gets any of those rebounds, meaning, we would lose, because less 2nd chance opps, and less putbacks.

So no, I still don't see how a championship team has Sap as their starting PF.

I love Sap. But he is limited by his genetics. You can't have him work harder so his arms grow longer and he gets taller and like it or not, that matters.

He needs to face bench PF to get his.

Point guard crap aside, I think we agree on these points.

Oh good, yeah, I hope Sap embraces the 6th man role, because I would hate to see him leave. What do you think of the possible move to 3? I am going back and forth by the hour.

[StocktonShorts]

Oh good, yeah, I hope Sap embraces the 6th man role, because I would hate to see him leave. What do you think of the possible move to 3? I am going back and forth by the hour.

I thought the Portland game last night showed why it will be problematic. He struggled to stay in front of Roy without fouling. When a team like Portland goes small the Jazz will have to either move someone else to the three (last night they moved Hayward there, which combined with Miles' benching left them the terrible backcourt of Watson and Harris) or make them pay on the other end.

[Litany]

Oh good, yeah, I hope Sap embraces the 6th man role, because I would hate to see him leave. What do you think of the possible move to 3? I am going back and forth by the hour.

I thought the Portland game last night showed why it will be problematic. He struggled to stay in front of Roy without fouling. When a team like Portland goes small the Jazz will have to either move someone else to the three (last night they moved Hayward there, which combined with Miles' benching left them the terrible backcourt of Watson and Harris) or make them pay on the other end.

True, can't disagree with any of that.

[Neon Black]

I don't buy the argument that to win a 'ship, your best player (or one of your 2 best players) can't be your point guard. At all. You put Chris Paul, Deron Williams or Derick Rose with the right group of guys and they will win a championship. But they're not going to carry a bad team as much as a Lebron or Kobe, that's a fact.

As for the Millsap issue, I'm all for and have always been all for bringing him off the bench, in due time. I think you let Favors grow a bit and then tell Millsap "Hey, you are one of our best players and we need your leadership and talent as a sixth man. You'll get your minutes and be the go-to guy when you play. You'll be our Manu Ginobli or Lamar Odom."

I really don't think Paul would be upset with that. If anything it would increase his value in the league, he's more apt to dominate other teams benches. I remember a time when the Jazz had one of the best benches in the league, and Millsap was mostly to blame.

[Neon Black]

Oh, and I'm open to dealing Harris. But ONLY if we have a worthy replacement. Sometimes I dream about having a PG that is a very capable yet SELECTIVE scorer, but who focuses almost exclusively on setting up teammates and running the offense and who racks up tons of assists. I'm a sucker for assists - my favorite stat for some reason. But if we have a guy like that and pick up a consistent, scoring wing to pair w/ Hayward, I would be extremely optimistic.

Come on Kyrie or Harrison....Come to Utah.

[babyjax13]

Well, my opinion is that you need a dominant post (Duncan, Jabbar, Hakeem, Shaq, Gasol) and an all-star wing (Parker/Ginobili, Magic, Drexler/Cassell, Bryant/Wade). Right now we have the makings of that post (Jefferson/Favors) but we need the wing (Harris isn't it, Hayward could be it, but he doesn't seem like the kind of scorer we need....Granger would be nice, but he's still not good enough without a great supporting cast)....I think that we are half-way to being a contender, but we need to get the other pieces, and in this year's draft I don't think that we will get our wing unless we luck-out in the lottery, but we can grab some guys that can develop into a great supporting cast (Barnes/Irving/Kanter/Valanciuanus/Burks and Fredette/Walker/Mirotic/Motiejanas).