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outerspacefella wrote:I'm in the "we need a wing shooter-scorer" bandwagon... and I think I've been on it for a long time now.
jazzfan1971 wrote:Oh, we could win a title with him, the thing is we'd need a wing who puts up 25+ppg on decent percentages to make it happen. We can't ride Jefferson to a title. But, he could certainly support such an effort.
I see it a lot like Pau Gasol. In Mempis as the #1 option Pau was pretty useless. Considered the softest player in the league by many. Put him next to Kobe and suddenly he's the best PF in the game. He didn't get any younger or better. His game didn't change. But, his role did. He didn't have to be THE GUY in LA he could just be a talented role player and let Kobe lift the team.
That's Al Jefferson to me. He needs to be a role player. But, until we get that Kobe or MJ or Wade or some such he's going to be more like Memphis Gasol than LA GAsol.
Could we trade him? Well, I guess. But, his value isn't that terrific at the moment. I think we ought to give him another year in Utah to evaluate him/raise his stock before we do anything. Unless of course some deal falls in our lap too good to pass on.
Right now I think we just need to focus on learning how to win with Al. A lot of that will be on Corbin, the rest on Al.
OC Jazzfan wrote:I must admit, I was a bigger Al Jefferson fan before he came to the Jazz. Sometimes he's on and gives you just about everything you want from a big, but many nights he's very "meh" at best. I really dislike how often he stays behind to whine at the refs instead of hustling back on defense which frequently leads to his man getting an easy bucket while he's barely back past half court. But I doubt you could get someone in return for him that would be better.
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erudite23 wrote:The big difference in the Gasol comparison versus Al Jefferson is the vast disparity in offensive efficiency. Gasol, even in Memphis, was among the most efficient players in the game. Big Al has never been, and likely never will be. He might be the worst offensive minded big in the league in terms of getting to the line. He shoots right around 50%, but has never, and likely WILL never, push that upwards into the mid 50s, and he doesn't provide ancillary value as a passer or defender to mitigate it. Pau Gasol was always extremely efficient, and has now become even moreso with the Lakers by virtue of fitting into a team concept.
Al sort of just does what he does. He can score 20+ for you a night, but he doesn't work well into what a team does. He has to isolate his man and bring the offense to a screeching halt in order to do his work effectively. When the double does come, he is barely able to get the ball out of his hands when he's not forcing a bad shot. He's just the type of player who will always put up good stats on a bad team, but if the team improves it squeezes his game. Its no coincidence that his personal game worked inversely proportional to the quality of this Jazz team. When we were playing well, he was fairy terrible. When we were playing terribly, he was "terrific." Right? Those are the players you need to trick other GMs into taking off your hands.
I love the guy, but he will have to go before we can become a serious threat as a team, and we'll need to get something good back in return.
captainrebel wrote:Wow! All these negative about Al Jefferson, I had no idea. I am a Piston fan living on the east coast and not getting much opportunity to watch the western games unless it’s the Lakers or Spurs. I have always wished that somehow the Pistons could acquire Al especially since Utah acquired Favors from the Nets. I know the Pistons has very little to offer for a guy like Al and I would not even make a proposal in this situation.
What do you, the Utah fans think the Pistons could offer for Al?
But seriously, I think you guys got a good pick with Monroe, I remember the Jazz thinking about going after him, but he was picked a little too early.UtahJazzFan88 wrote:captainrebel wrote:Wow! All these negative about Al Jefferson, I had no idea. I am a Piston fan living on the east coast and not getting much opportunity to watch the western games unless it’s the Lakers or Spurs. I have always wished that somehow the Pistons could acquire Al especially since Utah acquired Favors from the Nets. I know the Pistons has very little to offer for a guy like Al and I would not even make a proposal in this situation.
What do you, the Utah fans think the Pistons could offer for Al?
Greg Monroe for Al Jefferson (Actually I'm just kidding, but the Pistons should be trading a few pieces so they can rebuild, now that the sale is done).
