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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#21 » by HammerDunk » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:37 pm

I wish I agreed with you 59, but after the player changes, the Jazz were a .320 team. Memphis won the 8th seed with a .561 average. I honestly don't see this team improving .241 next year. I would be ecstatic if they ended up being a .500 team. Do you really see this team winning %56 of the time? Honestly, I think we have 2 years of development before we break the crust. As I see it, best case scenario is that we are OKC and make it a couple years after the rebuild, and that is with the most dynamic and unguardable players in the league.

This thing is gonna require some patience.
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#22 » by jazzfan1971 » Tue Apr 19, 2011 9:43 pm

I think if we hadn't traded Deron and Sloan hadn't quit, we'd have found a way into the playoffs.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if this next year we just tanked. In a shortened lockout year it wouldn't be that painful and maybe we could pull a San Antonio and grab a top player. I say play the hell out of the rookies and live with the results.
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#23 » by HammerDunk » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:08 pm

jazzfan1971 wrote:I think if we hadn't traded Deron and Sloan hadn't quit, we'd have found a way into the playoffs.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if this next year we just tanked. In a shortened lockout year it wouldn't be that painful and maybe we could pull a San Antonio and grab a top player. I say play the hell out of the rookies and live with the results.

I agree, except I don't want them playing to lose. I don't want them to think they are tanking on purpose. But I do want the rookies played a lot, which of course will lead to a lot of losses.
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#24 » by outerspacefella » Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:45 pm

Paper Face wrote:Adelman would be good if we had a vacancy. So would a lot of other coaches. But the Jazz don't have a vacancy.

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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#25 » by eLo » Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:54 pm

HammerDunk wrote:I wish I agreed with you 59, but after the player changes, the Jazz were a .320 team. Memphis won the 8th seed with a .561 average. I honestly don't see this team improving .241 next year
but after all thats happen in that season we where just 7 games behind 8 spot, is not so bad specially when you got young fresh core of players
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#26 » by The59Sound » Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:11 pm

HammerDunk wrote:I wish I agreed with you 59, but after the player changes, the Jazz were a .320 team. Memphis won the 8th seed with a .561 average. I honestly don't see this team improving .241 next year. I would be ecstatic if they ended up being a .500 team. Do you really see this team winning %56 of the time? Honestly, I think we have 2 years of development before we break the crust. As I see it, best case scenario is that we are OKC and make it a couple years after the rebuild, and that is with the most dynamic and unguardable players in the league.

This thing is gonna require some patience.


Well, I guess I'm looking at the number of close games we blew at the end and how tough we played the league's best teams toward the end of the season. Obviously, the ability to close games is kind of a HUGE deal in deciding whether one gets to the playoffs and we're still lacking experience, which is a determining factor in that ability, but I'm not without hope. I foresee (or maybe I'm just hoping we'll see) a steady diet of Hayward-and-Favors pick-and-rolls in the fourth quarter next season -- and that's a recipe for success, in my mind.

I may well feel differently ten games into next season. Hope not, though.
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#27 » by Ming Kong! » Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:36 pm

The59Sound wrote:Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't think the playoffs are out of reach for next season. It would probably have to be as a 6, 7, or 8 seed, of course, but I think it's achievable.


I don't think you're crazy at all. The Jazz won 3 out of the last 5 games, beating the Lakers and Hornets who were fighting for position. We did this half our rotation. Next season I imagine we'll have a similar roster back plus two lottery picks. We should have a much better roster, the players will know each other a little better, and Corbin will have a summer to work with these guys. I think we'll finish in the 45-55 wins range, 5-8th range.
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#28 » by HammerDunk » Wed Apr 20, 2011 8:16 pm

eLo wrote:
HammerDunk wrote:I wish I agreed with you 59, but after the player changes, the Jazz were a .320 team. Memphis won the 8th seed with a .561 average. I honestly don't see this team improving .241 next year
but after all thats happen in that season we where just 7 games behind 8 spot, is not so bad specially when you got young fresh core of players

Except that you can't count the other half of the season that we HAD Williams. It's a completely different team without him because we now don't have a closer. Remember the game when CJ Miles was given the possible game winning shot and he jacked up the ugliest shot ever? If we are giving the ball to CJ for a game winner, then we will lose 90% of those games. You can count on hardly any of those amazing comeback happening without him, not because he is such a dominant player, but because he was a constant threat that the other teams had to always be aware of and ready for.

I'm not saying this team won't develop that person that can take a game winning shot consistently, but he is nowhere to be found right now. Gordon looks promising, but is vastly lacking in experience in that department. I take the Laker and Denver game as hope looking to the future that he can be a legitimate closer for the Jazz, but the sample size is far too small to make that determination yet. Without that person on this team, you can expect to see the team that went .320 for much of the season. It would be different if that fresh young core was what got us to 39-43, but that's not the case.
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Post#29 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:43 am

I would LOVE to bring him in, he is one of my favorite coaches out there but it's never going to happen.

I just hope Corbin can do a much better job than he was doing this previous season. If he doesn't we're going to be in trouble....
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Post#30 » by TDIDDY » Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:47 am

QuantumMacgyver wrote:What has Adelman achieved that Jerry hadn't? Most the same people who constantly b*tched about Sloan, are the same peoprealle who want Adelman. Some people are just so determined to hate the Jazz and criticize every move they make, or don't make. How about ya just give Corbin a year and see what he can do? Things were already looking a lot better the last few games of the season. After a summer working on his gameplan, I am expecting some nice changes. Give the guy a chance.


Really wait and waste another year and watch crappy basketball?
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#31 » by HammerDunk » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:32 am

TDIDDY wrote:
QuantumMacgyver wrote:What has Adelman achieved that Jerry hadn't? Most the same people who constantly b*tched about Sloan, are the same peoprealle who want Adelman. Some people are just so determined to hate the Jazz and criticize every move they make, or don't make. How about ya just give Corbin a year and see what he can do? Things were already looking a lot better the last few games of the season. After a summer working on his gameplan, I am expecting some nice changes. Give the guy a chance.


Really wait and waste another year and watch crappy basketball?


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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#32 » by The59Sound » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:15 pm

HammerDunk wrote:
TDIDDY wrote:
QuantumMacgyver wrote:What has Adelman achieved that Jerry hadn't? Most the same people who constantly b*tched about Sloan, are the same peoprealle who want Adelman. Some people are just so determined to hate the Jazz and criticize every move they make, or don't make. How about ya just give Corbin a year and see what he can do? Things were already looking a lot better the last few games of the season. After a summer working on his gameplan, I am expecting some nice changes. Give the guy a chance.


Really wait and waste another year and watch crappy basketball?


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Clearly the solution here is to make CJ Miles a Player-Coach.
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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#33 » by Neon Black » Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:34 pm

The59Sound wrote:Clearly the solution here is to make CJ Miles a Player-Coach.


I just threw up in my mouth.
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Post#34 » by StocktonShorts » Thu Apr 21, 2011 4:51 pm

The59Sound wrote:Clearly the solution here is to make CJ Miles a Player-Coach.


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Re: Bring in Adelman 

Post#35 » by Litany » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:35 am

I have visited the forums of almost all the other NBA teams and its funny to see an Adelman thread in so many of them.

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