Bring back Deron?

[HammerDunk]

I love Deron. Love him. But... I kind of want to see the Jazz run by a non-dominant PG. I want to see passing and playmaking from the PG spot, and work on getting scoring from our wings and bigs. Harris fits this role really well, and I hope we hang onto him.

But, I wouldn't be mad if we did, I just like seeing something else.

Are you seriously calling Harris a "pass first" point guard???? As far as bringing back Deron I would love it but I guess I'm in the minority as a DWill fan that had zero problem with him telling people what he really thought rather than being a robot....

Actually, there was a lot more team passing when Harris came on, so his style of play encouraged that more. He didn't pound the ball nearly as much as Deron. So yeah, he is more pass first than Deron was. Didn't mean he got more assists because there was more overall team passing.

[ColdBlue]

He's got to have some lingering bad feelings due to being blind-sided. We'd have to address those right out of the gate in a way that doesn't make him feel like we're punking ourselves out, but that we certainly had no bad feelings and would have loved to have kept him. Next, we'd have to give him some assurances as to what our direction as a team is/would be.

I think it goes a little deeper with the fanbase as seen on this thread. Maybe if Sloan endorsed it and cleared up all the confusion and scapegoating the idiots would start waving their flag for Deron again.

It would involve a lot of PR, but man just think of this team with DWill back and the rooks hitting their stride...

[carrottop12]

Really don't think the trade was as personal as people made it out to be. I think the jazz simply didn't think they could put a team together that would entice Deron to stay so they moved him. As with Deron, I think the only thing he cares about is winning, and he could get that opportunity here with favors + more lotto picks.

Honestly, I think Sloan was tired of the daily struggle, I think the jazz may have told him they wanted to move Deron and were going to rebuild at the deadline, and he didn't want to rebuild anymore.

[eLo]

Honestly, I think Sloan was tired of the daily struggle

and the biggest "daily struggle" was dealing with his pg first of all O'Connor screwed things in sumer and then unhappy Williams cuz of that starts to plaing like s**** down the stretch. There are 0 chances that he will come back, most of his homies were traded, and in the end he was treated by the Jazz stuff as punk that should be ride of, how the hell after that he could go back to the Jazz organization.

ps. and by the way stop saying all the time that crap about winning, if you care about it you are showing that on the floor, so after that season im sure about one thing Big Al cares much more about winning then Williams. Plus one more thing, like some of you said, Jazz dont need pg thats haul ball 99% of the time, thats why staying with Harris maybe just alright.

[carrottop12]

Devin is 10 times the ball hog that Deron was.

[eLo]

Devin is 10 times the ball hog that Deron was.

its not true homie, he is definitely passing ball quicker than Deron was, plus he is pg in Parker style he dont try to combined, his game is based on simple things and thats what i like, and thats what makes him less ball hog pg

[The59Sound]

Devin is 10 times the ball hog that Deron was.

When Devin has the ball, his initial thought is always to try to take it to the basket. But the ball is in his hands a lot less than Deron.

[erudite23]

All of this talk about Deron "pounding the ball" and what not is just the nonsense of sour grapes. The dude was the 3rd best player that has ever played in a Jazz uniform, and has the type of ability to threaten the top 2 under the right circumstances. He was, and is, simply phenomenal. When you have a guy that can score inside or out, get the ball to teammates at the rim for easy shots and keep constant pressure on the defense you want the ball in his hands as much as possible. People are only saying this other **** now out of frustration. Deron was and is the consummate PG. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know basketball.

[erudite23]

Some of the idiots on this board blow my mind. If we have the slightest chance to get Deron Williams back, we do it in a heartbeat. Its not a question. The question is whether or not we have a SHOT to get him back. As for that...it's a long one, but possible. I think that if we present the best chance to win a championship, both immediately and down the road, he would re-sign with us....if we played our cards correctly.

He's got to have some lingering bad feelings due to being blind-sided. We'd have to address those right out of the gate in a way that doesn't make him feel like we're punking ourselves out, but that we certainly had no bad feelings and would have loved to have kept him. Next, we'd have to give him some assurances as to what our direction as a team is/would be.

If the Jazz had max room, the best supporting cast of any team pursuing him on the open market and the savvy to navigate the dangerous emotional waters that surround his departure from Utah, I think it could have a great chance at him.


Of course, those are big ifs.

Being a fan is an emotional exercise, despite your pseudo-intellectual outlook. Deron's very good at basketball, but I don't want to cheer for the success of a guy I don't like -- and his attitude isn't something to so easily dismiss from an "objective" perspective anyway.

A fan with any sense of self-awareness understands one thing above all: winning cures all ills. Say whatever you want about Deron now, but watching him lead your team on a deep playoff run and all the intense, emotional moments that come along with that would erase all these quibbles in a hurry.

As for his attitude...the dude hated losing. He couldn't handle it. Its called dealing with adversity, and the reality is that Deron hadn't had to deal with that much in his time here. The truth is that we were a team in the midst of an epic collapse, and Deron saw it coming. Kobe was the same way during the Lakers' struggles. When you're winning, they praise you for it as being "competitive." When you're losing, it's an "attitude problem."

Deron is a competitor, and can't handle losing. There are far worse things in a leader.

[carrottop12]

All of this talk about Deron "pounding the ball" and what not is just the nonsense of sour grapes. The dude was the 3rd best player that has ever played in a Jazz uniform, and has the type of ability to threaten the top 2 under the right circumstances. He was, and is, simply phenomenal. When you have a guy that can score inside or out, get the ball to teammates at the rim for easy shots and keep constant pressure on the defense you want the ball in his hands as much as possible. People are only saying this other **** now out of frustration. Deron was and is the consummate PG. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know basketball.

+6 billion. Deron in his short time was easily the third best player the jazz have ever had, and the best player on the Jazz since the lock out. He was hindered this year by some injuries, but like erudite said, he was, and is, simply phenomenal, he is a top 10 player in a stacked league, and possibly the best PG in the golden age of PG's.

If Favors turns into a top 10 player like most of us think is in his future, not only would Deron get him there quicker, but keep him there longer, and push his game even higher.

I hope the Jazz throw a max contract at Deron if we don't end up with a good PG in this draft, I'd love to have him back.

[outerspacefella]

Do you guys remember when we made the western conference finals a few years ago, that was cool.

Yeap... the great hysteric had a true court leader playing alongside him if i remember it correctly...

[outerspacefella]

Some of the idiots on this board blow my mind....

If the fact that I don't want the big hysteric back makes me an indiot, then I'll be a happy idiot.

[outerspacefella]

Some of the idiots on this board blow my mind. If we have the slightest chance to get Deron Williams back, we do it in a heartbeat. Its not a question....

Being a fan is an emotional exercise, despite your pseudo-intellectual outlook...

that was nasty

[outerspacefella]

... I kind of want to see the Jazz run by a non-dominant PG...

I want the same. I want nasty wings to complete this roster.

[outerspacefella]

A fan with any sense of self-awareness understands one thing above all: winning cures all ills....

That's more like "I want to win despite any other consideration"; that's not "self-awareness"... it's just no ethics.