If Derrick Favors was in 2011 Draft,when would he be picked?

[Hoops Addict]

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/derrick-favors


Looking at the Mock Drafts......the only players as good or better than Favors....are Irving and Williams.

He would be taken 3rd....or maybe even 1st or 2nd.

This years drafts is full of Euro's, tweeners, but no tough brothers. With Favors you get a very strong guy with length and power.

I would pick him 3rd.

[QuantumMacgyver]

I honestly think he would go first overall.

[DelaneyRudd]

1st or 2nd. Irving is on his level, Williams is a step below.

[HammerDunk]

1st, we have a gem my friends.

[carrottop12]

Favors went 3rd in draft that was top 5 heavy. He was the first big man taken, and there weren't any questions about him going into the draft outside of the the fact that he was so young.

Both Irving and Williams have serious questions (injury/tweener) and are a lock to go 1 and 2.

My guess is he easily would have been #1.

[Neon Black]

He would definitely go #1.

I'm the biggest Irving homer out there - yet I'm not all that convinced he's going to be an all-star, and neither are any scouts or reporters out there. And Williams...he's a tweener. M Beasley was the last tween to be hyped as much, yet his potential is an above-average role player on a contender or a high #'s guy as a main cog on a really bad team.

[Blkbrd671]

Is favors really that good? The games i've seen him, ive only seen potential.l he's athletic thats for sure but i see him more as a project .

[dr0welf]

Is favors really that good? The games i've seen him, ive only seen potential.l he's athletic thats for sure but i see him more as a project .

He didn't get a lot of looks this year, but towards the end when we started giving him some minutes his potential really started showing through. I think you will see a huge jump next year, but an even bigger jump 2 years from now. *that is if we are not still locked out

[Neon Black]

Is favors really that good? The games i've seen him, ive only seen potential.l he's athletic thats for sure but i see him more as a project .

I posted this a while back in another thread:

Here's how Favors stacks up against other similar, current star players ( I couldn't find Garnett's info.). As you go down, the lines highlighted in red represent categories that Favors has an advantage in. Blue lines under Favor's name represent categories where he's the all-out leader. Green indicates a tie.

Bench = reps of 185 lbs.
Agility = lane-agility test
sprint = in seconds, covering 3/4 court.


Derick Favors

Height: 6' 8.75
Weight: 245
No Step Vert: 31.5
No Step Reach: 11' 9.5"
Max Vert: 35.5 tie w/ Stoudemire and Howard
Max Reach: 12' 1.5"
Bench: 14
Agility: 11.74
Sprint: 3.25- tie/ w Stoudemire


Dwight Howard

Height: 6' 9"
Weight: 240
No Step Vert: 30.5
No Step Reach: 11'.10"
Max Vert: 35.5
Max Reach: 12' 3"
Bench: 7
Agility: 11.21
Sprint: 3.14


Chris Bosh

Height: 6' 10.25"
Weight: 225
No Step Vert: 30.5
No Step Reach: 11'.75"
Max Vert: 33.0
Max Reach: 11' 10"
Bench: 9
Agility: 11.80
Sprint: 3.30


LaMarcus Aldridge

Height: 6'10"
Weight: 234
No Step Vert: 26.5
No Step Reach: 11'.45
Max Vert: 34.0
Max Reach: 12' 0"
Bench: 8
Agility: 12.02
Sprint: 3.43

Amare Stoudemire

Height: 6' 8.5
Weight: 233
No Step Vert: 32.0
No Step Reach: 11' 8.5"
Max Vert: 35.5
Max Reach: 12' 0.12"
Bench: 12
Agility: 11.19
Sprint: 3.25

It's pretty eye-opening actually. In 10 possible categories, Favors leads Aldridge in 5 and each other player in at least 6.

Then factor neck length in...a statistic that is widely considered a "waste of height" in a player. This considered, wingspan, reach and vert are more important factors than height.

On top of all of this, Only Howard was as young as Favors when drafted. Yet he still surpasses Howard in 6 important categories. At 19, he still has fairly significant growth potential.

Who knows how all of this will necessarily translate on the court; yet Favor's measurements are still very promising.

[Blkbrd671]

Is favors really that good? The games i've seen him, ive only seen potential.l he's athletic thats for sure but i see him more as a project .

I posted this a while back in another thread:

Here's how Favors stacks up against other similar, current star players ( I couldn't find Garnett's info.). As you go down, the lines highlighted in red represent categories that Favors has an advantage in. Blue lines under Favor's name represent categories where he's the all-out leader. Green indicates a tie.

Bench = reps of 185 lbs.
Agility = lane-agility test
sprint = in seconds, covering 3/4 court.


Derick Favors

Height: 6' 8.75
Weight: 245
No Step Vert: 31.5
No Step Reach: 11' 9.5"
Max Vert: 35.5 tie w/ Stoudemire and Howard
Max Reach: 12' 1.5"
Bench: 14
Agility: 11.74
Sprint: 3.25- tie/ w Stoudemire


Dwight Howard

Height: 6' 9"
Weight: 240
No Step Vert: 30.5
No Step Reach: 11'.10"
Max Vert: 35.5
Max Reach: 12' 3"
Bench: 7
Agility: 11.21
Sprint: 3.14


Chris Bosh

Height: 6' 10.25"
Weight: 225
No Step Vert: 30.5
No Step Reach: 11'.75"
Max Vert: 33.0
Max Reach: 11' 10"
Bench: 9
Agility: 11.80
Sprint: 3.30


LaMarcus Aldridge

Height: 6'10"
Weight: 234
No Step Vert: 26.5
No Step Reach: 11'.45
Max Vert: 34.0
Max Reach: 12' 0"
Bench: 8
Agility: 12.02
Sprint: 3.43

Amare Stoudemire

Height: 6' 8.5
Weight: 233
No Step Vert: 32.0
No Step Reach: 11' 8.5"
Max Vert: 35.5
Max Reach: 12' 0.12"
Bench: 12
Agility: 11.19
Sprint: 3.25

It's pretty eye-opening actually. In 10 possible categories, Favors leads Aldridge in 5 and each other player in at least 6.

Then factor neck length in...a statistic that is widely considered a "waste of height" in a player. This considered, wingspan, reach and vert are more important factors than height.

On top of all of this, Only Howard was as young as Favors when drafted. Yet he still surpasses Howard in 6 important categories. At 19, he still has fairly significant growth potential.

Who knows how all of this will necessarily translate on the court; yet Favor's measurements are still very promising.

WOW! definitely a lot of potential. to be honest when i started reading this i was already about to say exactly what the last line said. Translation may be different, but eye opener for sure

[Litany]

I've posted some of the videos from this youtube channel on here, but I figured I would post a link for those who missed em. I think they show him coming along and more of what he is capable of. Can't believe he is only 19.

http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum

Keys to why I think he will be a star:

-As someone pointed out above, body type is perfect for a PF. Height: 6 10', Weight: 250, Wingspan; 7 4', and other measurements as described above.

-He has great hands.

-He believes he has a chance at almost every rebound, and he's right.

-Teachable

-If you take away his right hand, he can still finish with his left.

-Elite athleticism

-Runs the floor like a thoroughbred

-Great court vision. He is a great passer. The kind you want in your big man.

-Great one on one and post defender already

-Protects the rim, see avatar

-Can finish in traffic, and with plenty of contact, see Mcgee dunk and other plays where he gets and ones (now he needs to work on that foul shooting obviously).

-He is only 19.

-Great conditioning, He is a hard worker. Jon Barry talked about him on draft night. He said he went into the locker room after Georgia Tech games to talk to the players and Favors was in the weight room working out.

[outerspacefella]

Not even debatable. He would have been the first pick by a tremendously wide margin over the rest of them. He probably deserved better than 3rd in his own draftt class...

[shrink]

I think he'd certainly go top 3, but there are two problems with the supporting information here.

First, by listing only players that achieved great success, it makes an unfair logical leap that Favors will be as good or better than the rare big men that became stars or superstars. I don't wish to go look things up, but if you include other pre-draft physical wonders like Darko, Oden, Anthony Randolph (no real idea if I'm hitting the right guys here), and see that some of them may have had better numbers, it wouldn't promote an unfair extrapolation. Yes, I think Favors certainly could become a star, but there's a lot more than physical ability for a player to make that leap.

Second, and this may just be a reflection of my scars from the trade board, but the current Derrick Favors needs to include the current information. If he was in the draft now, he'd be a year older than the other players. He also has one year less on his cheap rookie scale deal, and of course, is one year closer to his first big contract (assuming he truly does become a star). And of course, guys like Kyrie Irving haven't had a year in the NBA, and Favors probably didn't raise his draft stock with his opportunity.

Last week I read a discussion somewhere that might be appropriate here, about whether the Utah front office would trade Favors for the #1 pick. I was curious, since I personally think Favors will be a better player, but I think a case can be made for Irving.

The micro-market Jazz can only exist in the NBA because of their incredible fan support. While Salt Lake can only support one of the lowest ticket prices in the NBA (like half what the Lakers/Knicks charge), rabid Jazz fans buy all the tickers -- 99% attendance over the last 5 years. I'm curious if there is great concern what a drop to even normal attendance (say 90%) would do to the franchise? After all, fans suffered the loss of superstar Deron Williams, had one of the worst seasons in recent memory, and lost the very popular Jerry Sloan. I like the potential combo of Favors/Jefferson, but I wonder if selling tickets may be paramount here, and Irving will be the top story - and plenty of free press -- for the next six months.

[carrottop12]

Selling tickets won't be an issue. Fans are excited about this teams youth, and having a collection of lottery picks like we do over the next two years is completely new territory, they alone are good enough to keep fans coming back. Mix in the talent of favors, which is a young talent the jazz haven't seen in over 20 years from a young big man, and then hayward who seems to have won the heart of every fan and you have a very good recipe for ticket sales. I think if ask any real jazz fan they'll tell you this team is considerably more fun to watch than the Sloan/Deron team we had trotting out before the all-star break.

[Xanthis]

I am not sure why people think that Utah can only support one of the lowest tickets in the NBA. Its not like Utah is full of poor people. The fact is the Jazz are the only major pro sports team here and it is a big draw. Also if you sell 99% of tickets at current price but were to raise the price and only sell 80% depending on the increase of ticket prices you probably end up losing money. More people at the game means more concessions and memorabilia sold.

[shrink]

I am not sure why people think that Utah can only support one of the lowest tickets in the NBA.

Haves
Index Yield/season ticket

Knicks 161 $127.93
Lakers 159 $126.28
Bulls 122 $97.36
Rockets 118 $94.21
Kings 118 $94.02
League avg. 100 $79.53

Have-nots
Jazz 79 $62.88
Grizzlies 73 $57.76
Trail Blazers 64 $50.87
Hornets 63 $49.88
Bucks 56 $44.49

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/12031628

Granted this is for the 08-09 season (the NBA is particularly stingy with this information, particularly going into new CBA negotiations), but the Jazz were 26th in season ticket price, and 2nd in ticket sales.

As any first year marketing student would tell you, if a seller can charge more, he would. Therefore, the Jazz business plan is to sell-out as much as possible. If they can't sell out, the low price per ticket is going to really hurt.

Has there been any discussion on these types of worries locally? Maybe I'm way off base here, but losing Deron, Sloan, and the swan dive at the end of the season would seem to make attendance a concern.

[dr0welf]

I feel fans are excited for this team. We saw some major potential in Favors and Hayward at the end of the year. Big Al was playing good and our PG's seem to push the ball, which makes it more exciting. Add 2 lottery picks and the curiousity and excitement level will be at a high at the start of this season.

I think that the turning point would be after 15-20 games, how are we playing. If we have a winning record and playing competitive basketball the excitement will continue and tickets will sell. But if you start the season the same way we played the first 20 games after the allstar break......

[HammerDunk]

Only time will tell, but if they can turn things around quickly (as in 3-4 years realistically based on our past, which is still very quickly compared to teams like LAL, CHI, NYK, BOS historically), then they won't need to worry. What is a potential worry is if this team has the same timeline for recovery that typically happens in the NBA. It will be interesting to see what would happen to the Jazz in Utah if they go through that kind of a rebuild.

I really hope they can get back to winning and playoff runs, because that is what pays the bills.