Nets 2011 LOTTO WATCH and draft thread

[Litany]

You are right, Magic and Westbrook are totally comparable because of their turnover averages.

lol, you're worse than elo, I'm just saying to's don't determine a players ability. Westbrook is one of the 15 best players in the league. Regardless of how he helps his team win, he does just that, win.

Next you'll tell me you wouldn't draft shaq cause he can't hit ft's.

I'm pretty sure that eLo will trash every PG in the draft that isn't named Jimmer, so you have to just accept that he will troll you on this subject.

If we take B Knight, it means no Jimmer for sure (not that I believe we would take him at 12 if we got Williams at 3 anyway) and eLo wouldn't be able to handle it.

I could be wrong since I haven't read all of his posts, maybe he likes Kemba.

I think its B Knight at #3 and Alec Burks, Leonard, or someone like DoMo if they are there.

Regardless, I highly doubt they take Jimmer and if I am wrong fine, I'll accept that, I just don't think the Jazz take him.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

It's starting to sound like the biggest threat from Minny is if they trade out of the 2nd spot and whoever jumps up there grabs Williams. That would be upsetting to say the least....and why they are so willing to deal the pick is beyond me...you would think they would be excited by the fact they got a top 2 pick....

They are uppset because there is one good player the draft. The next best player is Derrick Williams, who would end up playing behind Love, Beasley and Randolph.

I understand why they wanted the #1 and Irving but you either take Williams and make a trade somewhere down the line for something else or you take Kanter which is the kind of player they need so I don't understand why they are upset....the Jazz would have flipped if we had gotten the 2nd pick regardless of what the draft was or who the prospect projected to go there was....I guess that's what happens when you are consistently in the lottery and getting top picks every season.....lol?

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Anyone look at the possibility of doing a three way deal with Philly, Minny and the Jazz?

Basic components would be Millsap to Philly, Iggy to Minny and the #2 pick to the Jazz. Not sure how you would work it all out but I would bet that there is a legit possibility of that working out...the Jazz have a good history of making trades with both Philly and Minny...and it makes sense for all the teams involved...thoughts?

You could also do the same kind of thing with Indiana if they are trying to ship out Granger although I doubt they would have much interest in a similar deal unless they somehow ended up with Hayward too

[kamazilla]

Millsap is far too much to give up in order to move up only one spot, particularly when the player yielded from said effort may not develop into a player as effective as Sap already is. I really like Derrick Williams, but I think Minnesota wants Kanter and would be ill advised to move lower than third if they want to draft him. I see Utah making a deal with them, but there is no reason to give away a proven 20 PER player in the process.

[Kaner]

Cavs fan here, if you're not interested in Derrick Williams I know the Cavs have far more positions to fill and I'm sure they would want him, since I'm assuming Minny will likely pass on him, seeing as they're loaded at the 4 spot with young talented developing players as is, like Beasley, Randolph and Love.
Edit: #4 pick and TPE for a small bad contract you don't want for Derrick Williams, if Minny does pass and you don't want him? (a long term one, with a crappy player and lower salary...not bad in terms of being like 2 years left and 15 mil per or anything like that.) Or something involving taking on a contract, and trading Sessions and the 4th pick for the 3rd(who could be a great backup to your incoming rookie PG, whichever you choose)...that would be a nice new look for u guys at PG, with a new combo of Knight or Kemba starting and Sessions of the bench...probably Knight, and both are 6'3 and can spend time on the court together, and each can check 2's

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Cavs fan here, if you're not interested in Derrick Williams I know the Cavs have far more positions to fill and I'm sure they would want him, since I'm assuming Minny will likely pass on him, seeing as they're loaded at the 4 spot with young talented developing players as is, like Beasley, Randolph and Love.
Edit: #4 pick and TPE for a small bad contract you don't want for Derrick Williams, if Minny does pass and you don't want him? (a long term one, with a crappy player and lower salary...not bad in terms of being like 2 years left and 15 mil per or anything like that.) Or something involving taking on a contract, and trading Sessions and the 4th pick for the 3rd(who could be a great backup to your incoming rookie PG, whichever you choose)...that would be a nice new look for u guys at PG, with a new combo of Knight or Kemba starting and Sessions of the bench...probably Knight, and both are 6'3 and can spend time on the court together, and each can check 2's

Why would we not want Derrick Williams? Right now we're praying that he drops to us.

[carrottop12]

I'd only trade up to #1 in this draft, otherwise i'd stay put and pick the bpa. This is one of the few drafts where literally anyone in the top 10 could become the star of the draft.

[Kaner]

Cavs fan here, if you're not interested in Derrick Williams I know the Cavs have far more positions to fill and I'm sure they would want him, since I'm assuming Minny will likely pass on him, seeing as they're loaded at the 4 spot with young talented developing players as is, like Beasley, Randolph and Love.
Edit: #4 pick and TPE for a small bad contract you don't want for Derrick Williams, if Minny does pass and you don't want him? (a long term one, with a crappy player and lower salary...not bad in terms of being like 2 years left and 15 mil per or anything like that.) Or something involving taking on a contract, and trading Sessions and the 4th pick for the 3rd(who could be a great backup to your incoming rookie PG, whichever you choose)...that would be a nice new look for u guys at PG, with a new combo of Knight or Kemba starting and Sessions of the bench...probably Knight, and both are 6'3 and can spend time on the court together, and each can check 2's

Why would we not want Derrick Williams? Right now we're praying that he drops to us.

Oh, i thought i read a few comments and got the impression that you didn't really want another 4...I figured you guys would want him though, he is a potential #1 pick if you guys get him at #3, that is great for you guys.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Cavs fan here, if you're not interested in Derrick Williams I know the Cavs have far more positions to fill and I'm sure they would want him, since I'm assuming Minny will likely pass on him, seeing as they're loaded at the 4 spot with young talented developing players as is, like Beasley, Randolph and Love.
Edit: #4 pick and TPE for a small bad contract you don't want for Derrick Williams, if Minny does pass and you don't want him? (a long term one, with a crappy player and lower salary...not bad in terms of being like 2 years left and 15 mil per or anything like that.) Or something involving taking on a contract, and trading Sessions and the 4th pick for the 3rd(who could be a great backup to your incoming rookie PG, whichever you choose)...that would be a nice new look for u guys at PG, with a new combo of Knight or Kemba starting and Sessions of the bench...probably Knight, and both are 6'3 and can spend time on the court together, and each can check 2's

Why would we not want Derrick Williams? Right now we're praying that he drops to us.

Oh, i thought i read a few comments and got the impression that you didn't really want another 4...I figured you guys would want him though, he is a potential #1 pick if you guys get him at #3, that is great for you guys.

We don't see him as a 4, we see him playing at the 3 spot.

[Jazzfan12]

Derrick Williams plays like a four.

[Xanthis]

Derrick Williams plays like a four.

And has said over and over he wants to play the 3 in the NBA and has been working on playing the 3 since the end of his college days.

[carrottop12]

Klay Thompson jumping up the draft boards apparently. Could be a real option for us at 12, great stroke, good ability to get to the rim, solid finisher.

Got in trouble for possession towards the end of the season but most people tend to think he's a high caliber guy.

[carrottop12]

Kemba measured out at 5-11 3/4 with out shoes, meaning his playing height will likely be around 6'1. Still small.

[jazzfan1971]

6'1 isn't small. Under 6' is small. 6'1" is just about average I'd think.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Klay Thompson jumping up the draft boards apparently. Could be a real option for us at 12, great stroke, good ability to get to the rim, solid finisher.

Got in trouble for possession towards the end of the season but most people tend to think he's a high caliber guy.

I have a really hard time seeing the Jazz take a guy who was busted for possession especially when we have such a young team. Plenty of other good options at the 12 without the baggage.

I still cannot wrap my head around Valaciunas being projected as a top 5 pick.....

[StocktonShorts]

Klay Thompson jumping up the draft boards apparently. Could be a real option for us at 12, great stroke, good ability to get to the rim, solid finisher.

Got in trouble for possession towards the end of the season but most people tend to think he's a high caliber guy.

I have a really hard time seeing the Jazz take a guy who was busted for possession especially when we have such a young team. Plenty of other good options at the 12 without the baggage.

Yeah, we'd hate for the kid to bring his marijuana habit to the NBA. It might catch on with the other fellas.