Forget about a Point Guard at #3

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Your trolling is nearing the comical stage...

You were totally outclassed in this discussion. If anyone should be accused of trolling it is you.

Alternate account or henchman? I can't decide....

[eLo]

Clearly their shooting ability is similar.

you know man that you dont have no credibility when it's comes to that subject, your hatred to Jimmer is simply pathetic, i dont know what he did to you that you hate him so much but for goodness sake pleas shut up when it comes to Fredette, at least till his nba debut.

Homie has done a good point why we shoudnt pick at 3 neither Knight or Walker and you have to ruin all possible discussion with your hatered

Jimmer is better but Knight can clearly shoot

anyone who seen him on the floor should now that his range is clearly limited, im not saying that Knight wont develop to be a good shooter but now their shotting ability is not even close. If Knight would be an answer for our long distance shooting problems forcing Jimmer candidacy would not have much sens, even i would said pick Knight and with 12-Singleton or Morris.

Jazz weaknesses last year were rebounding, outside shooting, and defense. With the 3rd pick I think a good rebounder more important than a PG because we have Harris and Watson.

about rebounding no one knows how good will do front of Al and Fav in that matter in next season, and about pg spot from what i know Watson is free agent this summer and i wouldnt be surprised if as FA he would pick other destination than Utah, for now we have only one pg sign for next season and that is injury prone Harris, so that is another good reason to pick Fredette.

[Litany]

Clearly their shooting ability is similar.

you know man that you dont have no credibility when it's comes to that subject, your hatred to Jimmer is simply pathetic, i dont know what he did to you that you hate him so much but for goodness sake pleas shut up when it comes to Fredette, at least till his nba debut.

Homie has done a good point why we shoudnt pick at 3 neither Knight or Walker and you have to ruin all possible discussion with your hatered

Jimmer is better but Knight can clearly shoot

anyone who seen him on the floor should now that his range is clearly limited, im not saying that Knight wont develop to be a good shooter but now their shotting ability is not even close. If Knight would be an answer for our long distance shooting problems forcing Jimmer candidacy would not have much sens, even i would said pick Knight and with 12-Singleton or Morris.

Jazz weaknesses last year were rebounding, outside shooting, and defense. With the 3rd pick I think a good rebounder more important than a PG because we have Harris and Watson.

about rebounding no one knows how good will do front of Al and Fav in that matter in next season, and about pg spot from what i know Watson is free agent this summer and i wouldnt be surprised if as FA he would pick other destination than Utah, for now we have only one pg sign for next season and that is injury prone Harris, so that is another good reason to pick Fredette.

Yawn. They do have similar shooting numbers. Why does that have to mean that I don't like Jimmer? I was just saying that his numbers were close to Jimmer's

Jimmer this year: FG 49.1% 3-Pt 39.6%
Knight this year: FG 46.1% 3-Pt 37.7%

Also take note that Jimmer's 3-Pt was 33% his freshman year, so Knight had a better % his freshman year. Jimmer obviously improved it, but why can't Knight improve his by 3% if Jimmer improved his by 6%.

I have stated that Jimmer is a good shooter, that is well known. But some have implied that Knight is a chucker, while his college stats show he wasn't.

To me those look pretty close.

As far as his range goes, once again, you are misinformed. This highlight video shows a lot of his 3-pointers in college. A lot of them are from several feet behind the arc. Just because Knight can shoot the NBA three well doesn't take anything away from Jimmer. I am just explaining why my statement that their numbers and shooting are close. Jimmer is better, yes. That is shown in the stats, but clearly Knight is on track to be just as good of a shooter. They aren't light years apart as you want to blindly believe.


College highlights

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX0sxtOMiec[/youtube]

[eLo]

I'm saying that they are not in same league of shooters basically on what iv saw in this year ncaa season. Jimmer got great, not only ncaa, but even nba range of shoot and Knight ... well definitely he is not a chucker he got solid ncaa range and most of his game in ofens is made on mid range. I know that comparing freshman to senior dont have much sens, but Freddete can contribute right a way, that shooting case wont be a problem any more, and with Knight we would have to wait at least two seasons on his full presence and even after that no one can guarantee that he will be better shooter than Devin is right now.

They do have similar shooting numbers. Why does that have to mean that I don't like Jimmer?

not particular that, but you try to proof in every possible subject that picking Jimmer dont have sens and is in advance doomed to failure and that is simply not true

imo author of that topic is right pickind duo Williams/Freddete will be better for Jazz than picking for ex. Knight/Morris or Knight/Leonard. And to be honest with you as fan i definitely like more duo Knight/Markieff Morris than Williams/Fredette i'm just trying to pick what would play the best for Jazz.

[reapaman]

Knight is my guy for this pick. People are too hung up on irrelevant things. I remember how many people critized tyreke evans and Brandon Jennning saying that they will be bust and ride the bench for years because they were raw, had bad shot selection, not good shooters yet ect... While they still got a ways to go and they both had injury plagued 2nd seasons, they proved in their rookie season that they can be valuable players in the league. Most weaknesses like shooting ability can be improved overtime with hard work.

The main concern is do they have the size, athletism and motivation (among some other things) to do well in the league. Brandon Knight has all that is needed to be a player in this league. Except for his weight, his measurables so far have been a tiny bit better than deron williams and I would assume they are around the same athletically just from the eye test. Plus williams was way rawer than Knight was his freshman season; matter of fact Knight stats are pretty equal to Williams Junior's season. I think Knight will be more than fine in the NBA especially once he bulks up. BTW he doesn't turn 19 until this december for those that said he was already 19.

I hope the Jazz are smart enough to not use a lottery pick (#12) on Jimmer. He not athletic enough so he's gonna struggle like all the other unatheltic players such as JJ Reddick who was also a great shooter.

[kamazilla]

Bat, I can't believe you keep stating he was seventeen for half the season. Look at his birthdate and do the math. He turned 19 in December and is older than many prospects in the draft, including Kanter. Please avoid spreading misinformation.

there are several articles, including his main article on dx that say he's only 18.

As a typically reasonable and low hype poster, I imagine you are all for excluding superfluous or misleading information from your arguments. So in that spirit, here are the facts:

BRANDON KNIGHT
TEAM: KENTUCKY, FRESHMAN
H: 6' 3"
W: 180 lbs
Bday: 12/02/1991
(19 Years Old)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Knight-5140/#ixzz1N7m7dEox

From DraftExpress.com
http://www.draftexpress.com

[Litany]

Bat, I can't believe you keep stating he was seventeen for half the season. Look at his birthdate and do the math. He turned 19 in December and is older than many prospects in the draft, including Kanter. Please avoid spreading misinformation.

there are several articles, including his main article on dx that say he's only 18.

As a typically reasonable and low hype poster, I imagine you are all for excluding superfluous or misleading information from your arguments. So in that spirit, here are the facts:

BRANDON KNIGHT
TEAM: KENTUCKY, FRESHMAN
H: 6' 3"
W: 180 lbs
Bday: 12/02/1991
(19 Years Old)

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Brandon-Knight-5140/#ixzz1N7m7dEox

From DraftExpress.com
http://www.draftexpress.com

And as I pointed out to you in another post, the mistake is common because he was listed as having been born in 1992 in several places including ESPN and WIki.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft/re ... don-knight

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Knight_(basketball)

Chill out (I say chill out because you have posted in all caps and have posted several times telling him to go back and change his "misleading" posts when many people had the same information he had). This was a common mistake and all the reporters at the combine were saying he was 18 and he corrected them saying he is 19.

Also, can you answer my question to you above?

[ColdBlue]

Your trolling is nearing the comical stage...

You were totally outclassed in this discussion. If anyone should be accused of trolling it is you.

Alternate account or henchman? I can't decide....

No just the crybaby police.

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

No just the crybaby police.

Ahhh, alternate account. Thought so.

Also ignored.

[Pacerlive]

So whats the odds you guys take Jimmer at 12. 60%?

I know Larry Bird will take him if the Pacers don't trade the pick.

[Litany]

So whats the odds you guys take Jimmer at 12. 60%?

I know Larry Bird will take him if the Pacers don't trade the pick.

A lot depends on what happens with our #3 pick. If we pick a PG, I think it goes to almost zero. If we get Williams or Kanter it goes up. Not saying that we get him for sure at #12 if we don't get a PG at #3, but it is more likely.

As Greg Miller said this morning, the buzz around a guy wears off if it isn't the right fit. He said they want to get the player that helps them get the most wins. That might be Jimmer at #12, might not.. If Jimmer is the BPA at #12, they'll get him, if they think another player is BPA at #12, they get that guy, that simple. The workouts will tell them a lot I imagine.