reapaman wrote:I think Givony is telling the flat out truth. Theres no double standard because I too like bismack but don't like Kanter. With Bismack, i can look up many of his games and see how he plays to determine if I like him or not (which I do) but with kanter I can only speculate what he will be (not liked anything he did in the highlights either). What happened the last time we had to speculate.... Darko happened. I know the Jazz have seen tons of stuff on Enes but remember Darko was widely considered to be the concensus #2 pick behind Lebron and scouts looked at him about as much as they did enes; so its not like this type of scenerio hasn't happened before. And I don't care if you don't think enes is like Darko or Enes may grow better with the Jazz than Darko did with the pistons, it doesn't change that it happened and very likely could happen again.
As for his defense, he could be worst than Jefferson for all you guys know (as hard as that is to believe). Plus he's factoring in no Kirilenko.
Yes, and we've already established that you use blind stereotypes (most prominently racial bias) to form the basis for your opinion. So you're not doing JG any favors by likening him to you.
Why are you picking and choosing bust scenarios? Should we not have drafted Deron Williams because Jay Williams, a similar player who was drafted in a similar position, was a bust? Should Cleveland have passed on Kyrie Irving on the same basis? Should Orlando have passed on Dwight Howard based upon the Kwame Brown fiasco?
Likewise, should Portland have passed on Brandon Roy because he was an "unathletic" senior from the pacific northwest who could shoot...very similarly to Luke Jackson, one of the biggest flame outs in recent draft history....and instead gone with Randy Foye who's profile was a dead ringer for Dwyane Wade??
Do you see where the stupidity of your logic leads?
Players are players. You evaluate them on their own merits. If the draft were as simple as finding the most recent player who's profile resembled a given prospect, and then stacking your board accordingly, there would be no mistakes in the draft. One of the crutches of stupidity is over-simplification, and you, sir, stand guilty as charged. Nothing you say makes sense.
Kanter very well may be a bust. But if he is, he will be an Enes Kanter bust. He won't fail the way that Darko did, or the way that Koufos did. He'll fail in his own way for his own reasons.
And the fact that you like Biyombo, who has played a grand total of just over 200 minutes (the equivalent of 7 games of near full time play) of high level basketball with no junior-level track record of any kind, and yet pretend like the fact that Enes Kanter has been dominating the world since he was 15 years old (including his only showing against American players of his own age) means nothing is just laughable.
The reality here is that you are profiling. You look at Bismack and see an athletic black dude and you look at Kanter and see a big white stiff, even though neither case is that simple or that extreme. And when you're wrong you will fade into the background just like everyone does that fits YOUR profile. But good talk.
