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Post#61 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:26 pm

What's the big deal about TS% anyways? It's not the be all, end all...
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Re: Favors adds muscle 

Post#62 » by babyjax13 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:44 pm

Don't know. I prefer just looking at field goal percentage. I guess people like it because it is indicative of how well a post player gets to the line.....
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Post#63 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:59 pm

Ya well, Dwight Howard gets to the free throw line a lot and look at all the good that does him.
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Post#64 » by StocktonShorts » Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:29 pm

It also takes into account 3 pt shooting, though that doesn't factor into Big Al's stats.

As for Dwight, as poorly as he shoots free throws, his TS% is still improved by getting to the line.

If you guys really just want to use FG%, the numbers are equally poor for Al. He's been sub-.500 for the past three seasons; that's unacceptable for a guy who is supposed to be an elite post scorer.
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Post#65 » by PimpHandStrong » Sat Oct 1, 2011 9:27 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Ya well, Dwight Howard gets to the free throw line a lot and look at all the good that does him.
It does his team A LOT of good. He still hits roughly 60% from the line PLUS gets the other teams' bigs in foul trouble. Big Al just isn't very good at all.
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Post#66 » by PimpHandStrong » Sat Oct 1, 2011 9:29 pm

HappyProle wrote:If you guys really just want to use FG%, the numbers are equally poor for Al. He's been sub-.500 for the past three seasons; that's unacceptable for a guy who is supposed to be an elite post scorer.
He's not an elite post scorer. He's not an elite anything.
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Post#67 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Sat Oct 1, 2011 10:05 pm

PimpHandStrong wrote:
UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:Ya well, Dwight Howard gets to the free throw line a lot and look at all the good that does him.
It does his team A LOT of good. He still hits roughly 60% from the line PLUS gets the other teams' bigs in foul trouble. Big Al just isn't very good at all.
Yes, must be the key to all their post-season success...

You guys are taking Al's numbers in years he was injured and/or recovering from an injury. When he's been healthy, he's been great.
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Post#68 » by Jazzfan12 » Sat Oct 1, 2011 11:24 pm

Al's career best year when completely healthy gave him a TS% of 53.2% and he barely improved a terrible team by being on the court. Dwight single-handily brought a team to the NBA Finals, what are you talking about.
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Post#69 » by babyjax13 » Sun Oct 2, 2011 1:30 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:Al's career best year when completely healthy gave him a TS% of 53.2% and he barely improved a terrible team by being on the court. Dwight single-handily brought a team to the NBA Finals, what are you talking about.



I don't think anyone expects Al to perform like Dwight Howard, but he is a very good post scorer and when healthy shoots 50% plus from the field.

If I were to define what a power forward's offense game should be it would be:

"ability to score with their back to the basket and hit an open 12-16 foot jump shot. Shoots at or over 50% from the field and causes mismatches on offense, gets a large amount of a teams offensive rebounds."

Al does all of those things. Getting to the line is an obvious plus, and he does need to get there more, but you can't overlook the talent he possesses.
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Post#70 » by Jazzfan12 » Sun Oct 2, 2011 2:46 am

Al is a fine offensive player, he just has so many weaknesses offensively that he massively underplays his talent level and becomes just an average or slightly above average big man once his abysmal defense is brought into account. I think you can make the playoffs with Al starting, I think he's on the level of say Okafor (though he's completely different), but I think Millsap is better and I would prefer to trade Al. Maybe massively superior is wrong, but the new NBA is about intelligence and quickness and Millsap is just better in those categories.
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Post#71 » by UTJazzFan_Echo1 » Mon Oct 3, 2011 6:07 am

Jazzfan12 wrote:Al's career best year when completely healthy gave him a TS% of 53.2% and he barely improved a terrible team by being on the court. Dwight single-handily brought a team to the NBA Finals, what are you talking about.

Did you actually watch any of the Magic games during that run?

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Post#72 » by babyjax13 » Mon Oct 3, 2011 3:45 pm

Jameer was pretty dang good until about last year as well; Rashard was still scoring well and Marcin Gortat was one of the best centers coming off the bench in all of the NBA. Howard had plenty of help.
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Post#73 » by Jazzfan12 » Mon Oct 3, 2011 9:23 pm

Turkoglu became terrible once he left Orlando because Dwight was the only reason he looked good, Jameer is awful and missed the entire playoff run, Rashard Lewis sucks, Gortat played ten minutes a game in that playoff run, that is not help. Even arguing that Lewis and Turkoglu were good, you have to take into account that they only way they could score was based on Dwight getting a ton of attention inside and because Dwight covered Turkoglu's absurd defensive weaknesses. And when Turkoglu left and Shard continued to get worse and Jameer continued to get worse, the Magic still made it to the ECF the next season and swept the first two rounds with a margin of victory of around 20 points per game. This Magic team is horrible, without Dwight, they struggle to win 20 games. As soon as the players leave Orlando, it looks like they can't basketball.
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Re: Favors adds muscle 

Post#74 » by countrybama24 » Tue Oct 4, 2011 3:31 am

Give Big Al a lot minutes, run the offense through him. Then flip him for a prospect and pick. Please.
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Post#75 » by MilBucksBackOnTop06 » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:30 am

Luigi wrote:If he keeps getting bigger, and I think he will as he finally gets into his 20s, I think he might need to play more center. So many 4s are speedy face-up guys.

I hope he uses his bulk to bully people on the boards and deny people position on defense.

You have that in Milsap...you are in overkill here with Favors, Milsap and Jefferson and now Kantner.

One of them has to go to get a wing But I do like CJ Miles and Hayward. You team can be intriguing in the next year if they pick up the right free agents.
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Re: Favors adds muscle 

Post#76 » by Getjazz » Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:56 pm

I agree that intriguing is the right word with this team... Favors could explode, along with Hayward. I think it's possible for Jefferson and Harris to do much better after being here for a season.
Burks and Kanter have a chance to be very good. Not to mention the over all coaching should be much better now that Corbin has had time to settle in.
This team could be a 6-8 seed team if everything go's as planned. Chances are just as good that they end up with a top 5 pick and the 8th pick from GS.
For me, I'm hoping for the 2 top picks..

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