Memo Traded

[Curtis Lemansky]

So this is the official end of the 2nd generation Jazz team. Malone-Stockton-Horny was the 1st generation, Deron-AK-Booz and Memo was the 2nd. Hoepfully the 3rd generation (Favors-Kanter-Burks) will be able to bring a trophy to Utah

[The59Sound]

So this is the official end of the 2nd generation Jazz team. Malone-Stockton-Horny was the 1st generation, Deron-AK-Booz and Memo was the 2nd. Hoepfully the 3rd generation (Favors-Kanter-Burks) will be able to bring a trophy to Utah

I'd just like to use this an excuse to say:

"Cletus........ Van Damme."

[Paper Face]

First generation (in Utah) was Green, Eaton, Dantley, and Frank Layden.

Second was Stockton, Malone, Hornacek, Sloan.

Third was AK, Deron, Booze, Memo, Sloan.

So this new crop is #4.

[Denizfeital]

By far my favorite Jazz player nowadays.

Too bad he's gone. I actually thought he would never play again for The Jazz after he's got injuried. He came back and now he was traded.

I wish all the best for him, a first class person and player.

Best regards,

[jjscap]

I think this is a great trade for Memo and Jazz, and not a bad one for Nets. Memo will start with Deron and I think will average around 16-8.

Jazz has a trade exception as well. Could we expect another move soon?

[FJS]

With Memo Favors and Kanter were going to play less. Same with Millsap, and Evans wouldn't have any minutes to play.
I think it's better to play those players, and some of them aren't better than Memo already, but some of them have a potential to be better than him.
I'm sorry too, because he was beloved for all of us, but still, at this price he was too expensive.
Who knows, maybe as a free agent he would came back at the right price.

[BarneyGumble]

Man last year it was the Chicago Jazz. This year its the New Jersey Jazz. Even Humphries and Stevenson used to be Jazzmen.

I guess this means I must renounce my faith in the Church of Okur....

[Fido]

So here is a look at the financial part of the deal. The 2011-12 salary cap and luxury tax levels are set at $58 mill and $70 mill respectively. Minimum salaries come out just shy of $46.5 mill.

I'm not sure how much Watson, Howard, and Tinsley are making but I think it is safe to say the trio is making less than $8 mill combined (probably more likely in the $5 mill range). So making that assumption, post-trade the Jazz are now at $58.9 mill. Pre-trade that would have put them right up against the luxury tax territory with $69.8 mill. The Nets pre-trade were hovering right around the minimum salary territory and after are a little over the salary cap.

But this puts the Jazz right near the salary cap--great because of the financial windfall of receiving luxury tax payments but also having flexibility to make a move should that become available. Also, the Jazz have similar flexibility next season as their salary obligations actually reduce by $1.6 mill and only CJ ($3.7mill), Howard (?), Tinsley (Min?), and Evans ($788,872) are expiring.

[toyguc]

:(:(

[MeestR]

LHM wouldn't have made this trade. Loyalty meant more to him than this. It is hard to expect players to be loyal to your team if you aren't loyal to them.

An action like this (especially coupled with recent transactions), though it looks good on paper, will hurt the team in the long run.

[retiredcoach]

by MeestR on Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:29 am
LHM wouldn't have made this trade. Loyalty meant more to him than this. It is hard to expect players to be loyal to your team if you aren't loyal to them.

An action like this (especially coupled with recent transactions), though it looks good on paper, will hurt the team in the long run.

Let's see, now LHM is speaking to fans from the grave! Despite LHM tears on TV, he was a business man and basketball is a business. He would have taken the trade while he cried on TV hugging Memo.

How is this going to hurt the team? Memo's contract expired at the end of the season. He would have only played 10 min a game--time which would have come from other players who need the time.

This was a great trade for a lot of reasons.

[Fido]

This NBA isn't LHM's NBA. Back in the Stockton/Malone era playing your whole career in one place was admired. Over the last almost 10 years the league has become mercenary. Players are either 1) trying to maximize their income or 2) taking less money to win a ring once their big contract days are over. Period. There is no loyalty in the NBA. There is only doing what is best for you from either side--whether the 'you' happens to be the player or the team. It is easier to be loyal when it isn't financially detrimental to one side.

[Fido]

So DJ & PK mentioned something this morning that I hadn't thought about--let's say the Dwight Howard trade that might be happening at the deadline or this next summer actually comes to pass, and Orlando and their trade partner need a 3rd party to help make it work out. The Jazz could get involved and get a decent player for their trouble. You never know but the Jazz with this big trade exception will now be talked about with any major trade that happens.

[hoops4life]

Sad day. They better use the TPE. I understand the trade but it doesn't make it hurt any less. Memo has been my favorite player on the team since he got here. It shows a lot of faith in Kanter.

[MeestR]

by MeestR on Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:29 am
LHM wouldn't have made this trade. Loyalty meant more to him than this. It is hard to expect players to be loyal to your team if you aren't loyal to them.

An action like this (especially coupled with recent transactions), though it looks good on paper, will hurt the team in the long run.

Let's see, now LHM is speaking to fans from the grave! Despite LHM tears on TV, he was a business man and basketball is a business. He would have taken the trade while he cried on TV hugging Memo.

How is this going to hurt the team? Memo's contract expired at the end of the season. He would have only played 10 min a game--time which would have come from other players who need the time.

This was a great trade for a lot of reasons.

i had josh howards words ringing through my head as i wrote that. all the "honorable, hard working, respectful things" about the franchise are turning out to be not as true as the other franchises--"all in it for the money and you players are not employees, but mercenaries"

the lockout burned a lot of bridges, but i had hoped the jazz would have remained true to their roots, which loyalty was one of. if a player wouldn't be loyal, then it was their own fault. but now the franchise is the one who is not loyal.

i didn't like the brewer trade. boozer was boozer. korver was korver. deron i felt was a necessary evil. and ak is ak. but this memo trade feels a lot like the brewer scenario. just as the utah jazz are increasing their reputation in the league among the players, they go and burn these bridges. players like howard, watson, and tinsley joining for the reasons they did, will become the exception, instead of a rule like i had hoped.

[retiredcoach]

by MeestR on Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:54 am

i had josh howards words ringing through my head as i wrote that. all the "honorable, hard working, respectful things" about the franchise are turning out to be not as true as the other franchises--"all in it for the money and you players are not employees, but mercenaries"

Josh Howard doesn't give 2 good sh**s about the Memo trade.

Fans want the Jazz to compete for a championship, give the young guys more playing time and sign high profile players. Oh, and don't trade Memo.

Well, the fans can't have it both ways.

[The59Sound]

Have to agree with RC. And Tinsley didn't sign with us because we're so "honorable"; he signed with us because he wanted a job and we were willing to give him a non-guaranteed contract and a chance to make the team.

[Colby]

LHM wouldn't have made this trade. Loyalty meant more to him than this. It is hard to expect players to be loyal to your team if you aren't loyal to them.

An action like this (especially coupled with recent transactions), though it looks good on paper, will hurt the team in the long run.

Yeah, you've gotta figure out a way to see through the big happy public face and realize that these are cutthroat billionaires. They don't really care about ya. Sorry!