Kneejerk Reaction Poll: Who should go first?

[retiredcoach]

by BarneyGumble on Thu Dec 29, 2011 7:48 am

Rauxcee wrote:I'm personally torn between Harris and Corbin, though I'm probably leaning towards Corbin. I don't think he's a good coach, I haven't been impressed with one thing he's done since taking over. I'd hate for all of the young players to spend too much time under a bad coach. I know there are excuses in regards to the situation he's been put in, but I'm having a hard time accepting those excuses lately.

It doesn't get any better than this. Well said.

Barney, the Jazz aren't going to get rid of Corbin. Coaching the Jazz is about the effort of the coaching staff. Do you really believe Corbin is making all his decisions in a vacuum? Everything that's done from a coaching perspective is discussed over and over. Right now the Jazz have 4 coaches ( I don't count Layden as a coach.) that are looking at the players, the practices and the games. Between them they've got over a 100 years of basketball experience. No one else is going to come in and whip the Jazz into shape.

The best thing Corbin can do is keep his patience, play through the season as best he can, and figure out who and what he needs to glue the team together and move it forward.

[JDubJazz]

I'm not ready to ship Corbin down the road...yet. I will say, however that I am thoroughly UNIMPRESSED thus far. He hasn't shown us any ability to be a head coach. I voted for Bell, because it is obvious he is just DONE. Finished, washed-up, dogmeat, however you want to say it, he needs to be bought out and sent on his way with a nice fruit basket. Harris is a close second, because his body language is terrible. He looks completely disinterested. After the way he closed the season for us, I'm willing to let big Al have a few more games to get going before I put him on the chopping block. In my mind, CJ Miles isn't far behind Raja Bell either. I think the Jazz have to keep him just to fill out the roster, but he's just awful. The soon the CJ Miles experiment ends, the better.

Despite the pessimistic tone of this post, I'm actually very high on what the Jazz could be. They are going to take their lumps this year, that is certain. But if the young guys get a chance to develop and get comfortable with their NBA games, the Jazz could be scary good in 2-3 years.

[David Ginola 14]

Harris...
He isn't good for the our system....

[StocktonShorts]

Harris...
He isn't good for the our system....

What system?

[johnnyblazzed]

I still like Jefferson, but if any chance the struggling Celtics would take Harris and Jefferson for Rondo and whatever the hell it takes to make the numbers work - I would be in heaven. Rondo may not be able to shoot, but he knows how to run a team and has court vision. Harris is trash as a PG.

Regarding Bell, I love 1320 KFAN (Ben Bags and Alema in particular) praising Raja for being a savvy vet, and saying Jazz fans who want to drop him can't count last season as indication of his decline. REALLY!?!?!?! Bloody idiots. Let's trade Bell to the Sparks for whatever they're willing to offer.

Quick note - I don't have problems with losing with a young roster, it's how we are losing. I believe most Jazz fans would agree with this.

[Rauxcee]

I know the Jazz aren't going to be getting rid of Corbin anytime soon, and honestly even if they did I don't know who the better option would be. (would have loved Adelman) It's been a disorganized mess since he took over. It's like watching a bunch of chicken's running around with their head's cut off, only with a total lack of energy. Maybe it's just easier to point the finger at him whether it's his and the coaching staff's fault or not. At the end of the day he's the head coach and has the final say on who plays what and when and what type of "system" to run, right? I'm just not very hopeful with what I've seen him produce so far.

Can the Jazz really afford to have their young players and their young coaching staff go through growing pains at the same time? It's almost like the blind leading the blind.

I have a hard time watching players I don't believe are part of the Jazz's future get all these minutes. (Jefferson, Bell, Harris) I would rather watch the potential future players play it out. I feel it's just wasting everyone's time, the fans, the vets, the young guys, letting those guys get the minutes while they aren't even producing anything substantial. They certainly don't need the experience.

It's just a hot mess right now.

[BarneyGumble]

Barney, the Jazz aren't going to get rid of Corbin. Coaching the Jazz is about the effort of the coaching staff. Do you really believe Corbin is making all his decisions in a vacuum? Everything that's done from a coaching perspective is discussed over and over. Right now the Jazz have 4 coaches ( I don't count Layden as a coach.) that are looking at the players, the practices and the games. Between them they've got over a 100 years of basketball experience. No one else is going to come in and whip the Jazz into shape.

The best thing Corbin can do is keep his patience, play through the season as best he can, and figure out who and what he needs to glue the team together and move it forward.

I disagree. Lets compare Adelman to Sloan:

-Both have coached forever
-Both have made it to the Finals and lost, so the fire is there to end their career in style
-Both get the very best production from talented and untalented players alike
-Adelman actually has been the reason Sloan was stopped in the playoffs many times (Blazers, Kings)

So tell me why a blind committment to a guy that was on Sloan's staff and has compiled a collectively unimpressive record when a man like Rick Adelman was available? Cost-cutting? Loyalty? Because it cant be because of the answer you gave above....

[BarneyGumble]

Harris...
He isn't good for the our system....

What system?

The Church Ball offense.

1) Dribble slowly across half court.
2) What's a cut?
3) If they would just pass me the ball, I could shoot this 3.
4) Well, 6 seconds left on the shot clock. I bet he doesnt know my plan in standing here with the ball and my back to the basket for the last 8 seconds was a jump hook that goes in 1 time out of 4.
5) Crap, long rebound. Better hustle back on D. Oh wait, coach still has the new guy on the bench. I'll just pretend I'm running hard. They cant keep making those shots forever....

[retiredcoach]

Barney,

The Jazz aren't going to fire Corbin and his staff. It's just not going to happen.

They'll give him 3 years including this one. That's just the way it is.

Sloan understood that consistency is good and that many benefits come from consistency, if the person in charge can stand the head winds. And it worked.

In order for Sloan to implement that philosophy, the Miller's had to be one board. They aren't going to fire the coaching staff or Corbin.

[BarneyGumble]

Barney,

The Jazz aren't going to fire Corbin and his staff. It's just not going to happen.

Why?

They'll give him 3 years including this one. That's just the way it is.

Why?

Sloan understood that consistency is good and that many benefits come from consistency, if the person in charge can stand the head winds. And it worked.

Will it work for someone who is consistently bad?

In order for Sloan to implement that philosophy, the Miller's had to be one board. They aren't going to fire the coaching staff or Corbin.

I'm starting to think your real username should be "firedcoach".....

[carrottop12]

Have to move Harris, he doesn't fit any of the team. Our bigs are our strength and we don't have any way of getting the ball to them. Team needs a floor general, and we don't have it.

[erudite23]

Totally agree, Bat. Harris is a terrible fit and is killing his own value. I would do anything to get Ty Lawson on this team.

Still, Raja is the biggest bleeding sore on the team, and he should be relegated to the end of the bench until we can buy him out. He's just terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible.

Next would be Harris, followed closely by Al Jefferson. Problem being that you need to get value for both, but if they continue to play they destroy their value every single time out on the floor. It's a bad deal.

But I don't think its healthy to just turn the young guys loose. You need to make them earn their PT, and I haven't seen anything to suggest that they have, yet. Just got to keep putting one foot in front of the other and push through it.