Game 3: Philadelphia 76ers (1-1) @ Utah Jazz (0-2)

eLo · Post #181 » by **eLo** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:59 am

The59Sound wrote:Hell, NO ONE is compatible with Big Al. That's his fatal flaw as a basketball player.

thats just talk, he got bad first two games like whole team, but i remember his 2 half of last season and i know what he is capable of doing so i will root for him as long as i will finally be convinced that simply we don't need him. I will reaped 2 firs game whole team played terrible, with or without Al on the floor, today they where mobilized so result was completely different its simply as that. Plus im saying that to some of you stop being so f*cking childish, one day Sap is useless second someone other it's really annoying when peps like that, give that team chance and we will see who is useful and who is not.

seejaydeja · Post #182 » by **seejaydeja** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:37 am

Best night on my life, got upgraded to 2nd row hoopside with patch and edfmx, what a game. Favors/Kanter/Hayward are the goddamn future

Paper Face · Post #183 » by **Paper Face** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:09 am

seejaydeja wrote:Favors/Kanter/Hayward are the goddamn future

Truly said.

Jealous you got such a great view of this game. These types of games are so fun.

Soul Patch · Post #184 » by **Soul Patch** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:10 am

Montanajazz wrote:Seems obvious Favors and Milsap can play together and the jazz are better with Hayward and Howard on the court at F/G. Bell needs to be jettisoned and Burks needs to play.

Soul Patch wrote:I'd rather see Howard than Bell out there. Move Hayward to the two. Howard hasn't looked great but at least he moves on offense and that'll make things easier on Hayward and Jefferson.

Soul Patch · Post #185 » by **Soul Patch** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:13 am

I am in love with Kanter. The screen he sets and the way he rebounds are getting him playing time now but when he calms down and gets comfortable on offense watch out. Kanter is going to be a bad bad mother **** some day.

d-will8 · Post #186 » by **d-will8** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:39 am

eLo wrote:
The59Sound wrote:Hell, NO ONE is compatible with Big Al. That's his fatal flaw as a basketball player.
thats just talk, he got bad first two games like whole team, but i remember his 2 half of last season and i know what he is capable of doing so i will root for him as long as i will finally be convinced that simply we don't need him. I will reaped 2 firs game whole team played terrible, with or without Al on the floor, today they where mobilized so result was completely different its simply as that. Plus im saying that to some of you stop being so f*cking childish, one day Sap is useless second someone other it's really annoying when peps like that, give that team chance and we will see who is useful and who is not.

I'm not sure if I should envy or pity you for your faith in Al. Though I'm tempted to say that the Jazz are better off without Al right now, I'm not quite ready to say that. I will say, however, that it seems pretty clear that Al's game not only doesn't mesh all that well with other players on this team, but takes away from those players.

On a more general level, I have a hard time understanding how anybody still believes Al can be a key player on a good team. I tried to convince myself of that until Deron got traded, but I'm done trying. The proof to the contrary is just too pervasive. The guy's an inefficient, ball-dominant scorer who stifles ball movement and offensive flow and doesn't know how to play within a team framework, pass or play defense. I don't think it's just a coincidence that he's never been on a good team.

I really feel bad for Al. He's a good-hearted, hard-working and genuine guy who says and seemingly wants to do all the right things. I want him to succeed. Having said that, I don't see that success coming here and I can't wait until he's out of Favors and Kanter's way. Those guys (not Al) are the future.

The59Sound · Post #187 » by **The59Sound** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:44 am

Well said, 8. It's very frustrating seeing first-rate human beings like Al Jefferson and CJ Miles fail to put it together on the basketball court. I want only good things for both of them.

Ugly0598 · Post #188 » by **Ugly0598** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:28 am

The Harris (non-1st quarter motivated version), Hayward, Howard, Millsap, Favors line-up was really good. I loved what I saw out of that line-up.

Reckless · Post #189 » by **Reckless** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:28 am

I still just don't understand the point in keeping around guys like Big Al. You see what it's like without him and it's painfully obvious that we are better off without him. I mean the T-wolves was happy to get rid of him, that says enough to me.

jazzgasm · Post #190 » by **jazzgasm** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:34 am

ut_jazz wrote:I still just don't understand the point in keeping around guys like Big Al. You see what it's like without him and it's painfully obvious that we are better off without him. I mean the T-wolves was happy to get rid of him, that says enough to me.

Yeah that is sad when t pups are happy u aren't on there team anymore lol

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #191 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:44 am

So it's time to trade Jefferson right? We're all in agreement?

SLC Biz · Post #192 » by **SLC Biz** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:50 am

eLo wrote:
SLC Biz wrote:Al and Fav are definitely NOT compatible. Favors is always at his worst when he's on the floor with Jefferson, and when he plays an entire game without him, surprise surprise, a career night.
they are very compatibile when it comes to skills set, plus judging after one f*cking game that Fav is much better player without Al is simply stupid, i will believe in that theory when i will see some more games like that, plus maybe Fav got career night cuz finally Harris and Earl played good dont you think.

You must not have been following Big Al's career very closely if you haven't noticed that his teams ALWAYS suck and are ALWAYS better off when he's not on the court.

Post #193 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:50 am

Correlation causation yadda yadda

The59Sound · Post #194 » by **The59Sound** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:07 am

DelaneyRudd wrote:Correlation causation yadda yadda

Jefferson can turn it around. To quote a wise man: "I really think Al Jefferson will be not just All-star material, but in the MVP discussion."

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #195 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:09 am

SLC Biz wrote:
HappyProle wrote:Win or lose, this is the team I want to watch this year.

I honestly wouldn't lose any sleep over it if the Jazz amnestied Jefferson.

Utah IMO is better without Jefferson.

I think the Jazz should keep Millsap because he always brings hustle. Utah's frontcourt is set with Favors and Kanter. That is all you need at 4 and 5. Hayward is going to be great. Howard is a good veteran presence.

Post #196 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:13 am

The59Sound wrote:
DelaneyRudd wrote:Correlation causation yadda yadda

Jefferson can turn it around. To quote a wise man: "I really think Al Jefferson will be not just All-star material, but in the MVP discussion."

And they scoffed!

schneiderjazz · Post #197 » by **schneiderjazz** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:05 pm

Gotta say I love Hayward's game. He gets his shots within the offense and he's creating a lot of easy shots for others. Kanter is already one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Favors had a great game. Just wish he'd get to the line more. Guy as physical and athletic as he is should be getting a lot more than 1 FT attempt per game.

Litany · Post #198 » by **Litany** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:15 pm

That game was a lot of fun to watch last night.

I was at a restaurant that showed the UFC fights and the Jazz games the whole time. I watched the Jazz game pretty much the whole time lol.

It was great to see Hayward with the ball in his hands making plays and getting his shots. He is a very smart player and I am glad the coaching staff is having him play sort of a Ginobili type of role in letting him make plays and do what he does.

Somewhere somebody said that something about Hayward playing a Ginobili type role and letting Harris play a Parker type of role. I think that would be great.

I don't think that it will be very long before Bell is bumped out of the starting lineup in favor of Howard at the SF position. Hayward just seems to do better at the 2 and I like the advantage he has over most 2's in the league with his height and length.

It was great to see Harris come alive after Corbin benched him early in the 1st quarter. I am glad he responded and that Corbin noticed how out of it he was those first few minutes. Props to Corbin for doing that.

Favors did a great job tonight. It was awesome to see him make moves in the post and work on the P n R with Hayward. His J looks great and he knocked a couple of those down. Favors has such amazing hands its unbelievable. Also, I think Hayward and Favors are both the obvious reasons we won the game. Hayward for the plays he made and that awesome shot off the Favors screen and Favors for the 2 defensive plays at the end of the game. He altered those two shots. I pictured Al being in for those last minutes and I am convinced he wouldn't have contested that layup the way Favors did.

Kanter was another bright spot for the night. That putback was just monstrous. He also finished in the post which was nice to see. As far as rebounds, my goodness. He seriously has vice grips for hands. I have been very impressed by him so far.

Millsap had great energy and I love the guy. He had a bad shooting night which is unusual and hardly ever happens. Frankly, I think I have arrived at the conclusion that everyone else has. That Favors and Sap should start and not Favors and Al. Maybe having a big guy like Favors next to him, Sap can do his work even better.

Bell, well, hes another guy that I feel bad for. I think he cares and he wants to play well, but I think his body just isn't responding. I hope Burks gets some of his minutes. Again, I think it is a matter of time before he plays his way out of the starting lineup. I hope he replaces Matt Harpring as the color commentator after retirement

I think it is obvious that Favors, Kanter, & Hayward (Burks will emerge, just not getting burn yet, let Bell be the vet lockerroom guy, not on the court

) are the future. Favors and Kanter frontcourt will be great.

Now, having said all that, this season is going to feel like the Desperado at Buffalo Bills casino. We will get nights like these here along with rough nights where our guys are making the mistakes that young teams do. But honestly, I am fine with that as long as we see the work put in that we saw tonight. I was prepared for us to lose even partway through the game because young teams find ways to lose. But it was a good step and I just hope we see growth.

Anyway, a MUCH better effort and night for the Jazz. It was good to see the Jazz in their offense and their defensive rotations.

Will be interesting to see how the Big Al situation shakes out.

eLo · Post #199 » by **eLo** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:27 pm

schneiderjazz wrote:Guy as physical and athletic as he is should be getting a lot more than 1 FT attempt per game.

He has very good overall game but should be more dynamic in his actions on floor.

SLC Biz wrote:You must not have been following Big Al's career very closely if you haven't noticed that his teams ALWAYS suck and are ALWAYS better off when he's not on the court.

im folowing it closely enough to know that he is very skilled big guy, i dont know how good you follows his career but that what you said is simply a fluke, cuz is hard to blame that T'Wolves sucks, and last season Al protect Jazz team from complete fail, thats why i will give him chance to redeem him self in this season.

jazzgasm wrote:
ut_jazz wrote:I still just don't understand the point in keeping around guys like Big Al. You see what it's like without him and it's painfully obvious that we are better off without him. I mean the T-wolves was happy to get rid of him, that says enough to me.

Yeah that is sad when t pups are happy u aren't on there team anymore lol

enough said, but you know peps that its proves bad about your self after comment like that, when you can judge some one so quickly, it's simply stupid and very very childish

JazzD15 wrote:
Somewhere somebody said that something about Hayward playing a Ginobili type role and letting Harris play a Parker type of role. I think that would be great.

I don't think that it will be very long before Bell is bumped out of the starting lineup in favor of Howard at the SF position. Hayward just seems to do better at the 2 and I like the advantage he has over most 2's in the league with his height and length.

It was great to see Harris come alive after Corbin benched him early in the 1st quarter. I am glad he responded and that Corbin noticed how out of it he was those first few minutes. Props to Corbin for doing that.

Harris did better job tonight but he still sucks as pg, im not demanding from him miracles but he should do at least little pg job