The official fire Tyrone Corbin thread

[Jazzfan Bayamon]

Waiving him would remove him from the locker room all together.

This!!!

[red4hf]

I could swallow all of that, except that who gives a **** how Raja Bell feels? Is he the future of this team? Does he matter to the Jazz at all? Are any of his teammates going to be upset by his benching?

If you remember last year when Corbin pulled Raja from the line up things got a little testy, and Raja has talked openly about turmoil in the locker room with the team last year even after the Deron trade. The one thing you absolutely can't risk with a team that is this young is to break up the locker room, and if Raja is the locker room presence everyone says he is, you could really screw things up quickly by angering him.

So to be honest with you, I care how Raja feels because I believe in the idea that a team that likes each other is going to play better. My guess is Corbin cares about his locker room as well.

I know of at least 4 Jazzmen (Hayward, Miles, Burks and Howard) who would not be upset at all at having to divide up Raja's 20 minutes.......

[Paper Face]

I know of at least 4 Jazzmen (Hayward, Miles, Burks and Howard) who would not be upset at all at having to divide up Raja's 20 minutes.......

You're probably right on this point. But it's a good thing you aren't the coach. It seems obvious that you would take sides with certain factions within a locker room when in reality a coach is better served by having the respect of the entire team. Who cares what Raja Bell thinks? Anyone who actually works with him on a daily basis.

Coaching, despite what all you hardliners seem to assume, isn't just about playing the best players. It's also about human relationships. And the players? Players aren't just "skill sets". They are personalities that constitute the soul of a team. Corbin is obviously attempting to win the soul of this team in giving the veterans an opportunity to show what they've got. If Bell is beaten out of his starting spot after being chance to lose it, he will recognize Corbin's fairness and remain an agent of the team despite losing the starting job.

It's the same with Millsap, Jefferson, and anyone else who will eventually lose their roles to younger, more talented players. I agree with Bat's assessment.

[carrottop12]

Good coaches know how to juggle egos in the locker room, it's always been that way, not sure why people are expecting it to be different with Corbin. Like Paper Face said, it isn't just about throwing your 5 best players out there all the time, if so, anyone with half a brain could coach in the NBA. It's all about getting trust from your players, and that's all Corbin is doing right now.

[red4hf]

I know of at least 4 Jazzmen (Hayward, Miles, Burks and Howard) who would not be upset at all at having to divide up Raja's 20 minutes.......

You're probably right on this point. But it's a good thing you aren't the coach. It seems obvious that you would take sides with certain factions within a locker room when in reality a coach is better served by having the respect of the entire team. Who cares what Raja Bell thinks? Anyone who actually works with him on a daily basis.

Coaching, despite what all you hardliners seem to assume, isn't just about playing the best players. It's also about human relationships. And the players? Players aren't just "skill sets". They are personalities that constitute the soul of a team. Corbin is obviously attempting to win the soul of this team in giving the veterans an opportunity to show what they've got. If Bell is beaten out of his starting spot after being chance to lose it, he will recognize Corbin's fairness and remain an agent of the team despite losing the starting job.

It's the same with Millsap, Jefferson, and anyone else who will eventually lose their roles to younger, more talented players. I agree with Bat's assessment.

That's all fine and good, IF Bell was going to be with this team beyond next season...... He's not..... His feelings don't matter, just like his play doesn't make any difference as to whether the Jazz win......

If we were a team battling for a championship, and one important, if minor, piece (Bell for instance) was going through a rough patch, then yes, you'd have to be really careful about how you'd handle that situation.......

This is not the case, Bell has no future with the Jazz...... To be completely honest, he has no present....... He's taking minutes away from guys who are not only younger, but better and much more important for the Jazz.......

And since we're talking about player feelings, how do you think Favors feels after he gets demoted to the bench, even after putting up a career high in points, while Bell remains in the lineup shooting 20% from the field? And it's not like Millsap is lighting it up...... Talk about not caring about player's feelings......

[retiredcoach]

You guys give coaches way too much credit or not nearly enough.

Moved to new thread on evaluating Corbin

[red4hf]

Actually, a very interesting read......

[Paper Face]

That's all fine and good, IF Bell was going to be with this team beyond next season...... He's not..... His feelings don't matter, just like his play doesn't make any difference as to whether the Jazz win......

Wrong. His feelings do matter because if there is a player in the locker room with a black cloud hanging over his head all season it will have an ill effect on the rest of the team. His feelings don't matter to you because you don't have to work with him. In truth, it is imperative that the entire roster remain on board in support of the team.

If we were a team battling for a championship, and one important, if minor, piece (Bell for instance) was going through a rough patch, then yes, you'd have to be really careful about how you'd handle that situation.......

You're not talking about the real world. Attitude and team comaraderie makes a huge difference to every team in every sport. And every profession, for that matter.

And since we're talking about player feelings, how do you think Favors feels after he gets demoted to the bench, even after putting up a career high in points, while Bell remains in the lineup shooting 20% from the field? And it's not like Millsap is lighting it up...... Talk about not caring about player's feelings......

Everyone is different. Millsap and Favors probably can handle getting benched better than Jefferson would. It doesn't change the truth about this team: all of our current vets will eventually be supplanted by younger, more talented players.

I think Corbin is managing things just fine so far. Bell is eventually going to be replaced, probably by Howard in the next several games. Until then, the rooks are placed in the position where they have to work hard to earn playing time. I see nothing wrong with that.

[red4hf]

And since we're talking about player feelings, how do you think Favors feels after he gets demoted to the bench, even after putting up a career high in points, while Bell remains in the lineup shooting 20% from the field? And it's not like Millsap is lighting it up...... Talk about not caring about player's feelings......

Everyone is different. Millsap and Favors probably can handle getting benched better than Jefferson would. It doesn't change the truth about this team: all of our current vets will eventually be supplanted by younger, more talented players.

I think Corbin is managing things just fine so far. Bell is eventually going to be replaced, probably by Howard in the next several games. Until then, the rooks are placed in the position where they have to work hard to earn playing time. I see nothing wrong with that.

And you know this how? Ohh, that's right, you don't...... Thank you......

[Paper Face]

And you know this how? Ohh, that's right, you don't...... Thank you......

Just testing your intellectual dogma radar. You are sharp as a tack.