reapaman wrote:The59Sound wrote:That's a rather eclectic list you've created there. Were James Posey, Matt Harpring, and Shane Battier known for their court vision and playmaking? Was Mike Miller praised for his court vision and and tough-nosed defense? Nicholas Batum isn't exactly a playmaker himself. He's averaged about 1 assist per game every year. Hayward's averaging 4 this year, and in his final twelve games last year, averaged 3.
Blaming our ball movement on Hayward is pretty detached from reality. When he's put in a position where he's allowed to make plays, he thrives. This was clear at the end of last season and has been true this season (he's leading the team in APG), especially when Jefferson was out and we didn't have four guys forced to stand around and wait for his slow one-on-one move.
Gordon Hayward is our future at the wing. He's closer to Ginobli than the random assortment of players above.
Never said he was like them skill wise (except for Mike Miller who he is very similar too). I compared them in the sense of their overall value to the teams. Also never blamed our ball movement on Hayward. Basically I called him a mid-level jack of all trade guy. We need pontential stars even risky ones like Cousins. And what Hayward did in his last 12 games, Mike Miller did that and more his entire rookie season. So don't act like he's some unique prodigy. Shoot Mike dunleavy was getting Hayward level buzz his rookie season.
And your insane if you think he's anything close to Manu. He doesn't have his speed or quickness which is a huge deal.
Again, we already have two potential star big men: Favors and Kanter. For whatever reason, you've decreed Kanter isn't capable of that after a handful of games, but it's true nonetheless.
Let's get our facts straight on your comparison of Hayward's final 12 to Miller's full rookie season (it's not the be-all, end-all comparison, but let's get it right if we're going to talk about it).
Hayward:13 PPG, 3 APG, 54% FG, 52% 3PT
Miller: 12 PPG, 2 APG, 44% FG, 41% 3PT
As you can see, Hayward's ahead in every category (by a large margin in shooting percentages). If you take their shooting percentages for the entire season, Hayward is way out in front on that as well (49% FG and 47% 3PT for Gordon; 44% FG and 41% 3PT for Miller).
Again, that statistical comparison isn't necessarily conclusive about their talents and career trajectories, but I just thought we should point out that your blanket statement was false.
I'm not saying Hayward is going to be as good as Ginobli, but I am saying he'll be about as important to the construction of our team. Hayward is one of the pieces you build around; he's not some guy you throw into a risky trade because we can sign someone like James Posey a few years from now, as you implied.
This kid's got the stuff. He has the skills, he has the toughness, he's a perfectly good athlete, and he has that burning need to improve and to win. You don't throw him into a random trade, and certainly not for a headcase like Cousins -- especially when he's your only quality young wing player and you already have a young 4 and 5 with All Star potential.
In the years to come, Hayward is going to have the ball in his hands in our crucial late-game possessions. And I feel quite content with that.
JazzFan posting something like that one more time 
