Jazz Trades!

[eLo]

Duhon hasn't been decent since he was on crap Nkicks team, but I think Reddick over Harris at pg is a step back, so probably a step back at pg overall.

Duhon its as ad, now when its clear that Earl is better pg we dont need Harris at all, we still need shooter so thats why it came to my head that idea of getting Reddic, Magic need pg so the should approve this trade.

[mrknowitall215]

Utah get: D.J. Augustin & Boris Diaw

Charlotte get: Devin Harris, Jeremy Evans, 2012 first round draft pick from Golden State (top-7 protected)

The reason why Utah should take this exchange is because they need a PG bad, and Augustin has been playing very well ever since Paul Silas has taken over as head coach, finally giving him freedom to be productive on a night-in, night-out basis. Augustin has shown the ability to be a pass-first floor general and a opportunistic scorer at the same time. Unfortunately for the Jazz, Harris hasn't been able to show them those related attributes like they expected when they acquired him in a barter for top-tier PG Deron Williams. Utah also should be willing to relieve themselves of the 1st round draft choice being that they already have a plethora of young talent, and are more inclined to look for veteran leadership going forward. They are not the type of team expecting to make a splash in free-agency because let's face it, Utah isn't exactly a preferred destination. That market hasn't ever really been fair to them for geographical reasons. Therefore, they won't care about taking on salary, even if it is temporary (Augustin RFA 2012, Diaw expires 2013).

This trade allows Charlotte the opportunity to clear the way for the Kemba Walker-era with the loss of D.J. Augustin as well as giving them future assets to build on, killing two birds with one stone. Devin Harris has the tools to become the perfect reserve combo guard behind Walker. Jeremy Evans minimal contract is expiring, and Harris' contract has only one more year after, creating cap space for 2013. The absence of Boris Diaw will takeaway the logjam in the frontcourt that hinders the playing time of the prospective Bismack Biyombo and Byron Mullens. The grand prize for the Bobcats in this deal is the 1st round draft pick from Golden State that is top-7 protected. The Warriors so far are playing well under their new coach Mark Jackson and are unlikely to fall into the top-7 of the 2012 NBA Draft. As of right now, that pick is predicted to be #12th overall.

[Litany]

Utah get: D.J. Augustin & Boris Diaw

Charlotte get: Devin Harris, Jeremy Evans, 2012 first round draft pick from Golden State (top-7 protected)

The reason why Utah should take this exchange is because they need a PG bad, and Augustin has been playing very well ever since Paul Silas has taken over as head coach, finally giving him freedom to be productive on a night-in, night-out basis. Augustin has shown the ability to be a pass-first floor general and a opportunistic scorer at the same time. Unfortunately for the Jazz, Harris hasn't been able to show them those related attributes like they expected when they acquired him in a barter for top-tier PG Deron Williams. Utah also should be willing to relieve themselves of the 1st round draft choice being that they already have a plethora of young talent, and are more inclined to look for veteran leadership going forward. They are not the type of team expecting to make a splash in free-agency because let's face it, Utah isn't exactly a preferred destination. That market hasn't ever really been fair to them for geographical reasons. Therefore, they won't care about taking on salary, even if it is temporary (Augustin RFA 2012, Diaw expires 2013).

This trade allows Charlotte the opportunity to clear the way for the Kemba Walker-era with the loss of D.J. Augustin as well as giving them future assets to build on, killing two birds with one stone. Devin Harris has the tools to become the perfect reserve combo guard behind Walker. Jeremy Evans minimal contract is expiring, and Harris' contract has only one more year after, creating cap space for 2013. The absence of Boris Diaw will takeaway the logjam in the frontcourt that hinders the playing time of the prospective Bismack Biyombo and Byron Mullens. The grand prize for the Bobcats in this deal is the 1st round draft pick from Golden State that is top-7 protected. The Warriors so far are playing well under their new coach Mark Jackson and are unlikely to fall into the top-7 of the 2012 NBA Draft. As of right now, that pick is predicted to be #12th overall.

rofl get outta here with that trade. What a waste of bandwidth.

[The59Sound]

My thoughts:

Your general premise about us not caring about cap space is wrong. We are definitely looking toward free agency, and have had somehow success in recent memory (we had to overpay for Okur and Boozer, but those were big gets at the time).

I like Augustin okay, but I don't think he's a clear notch above Harris; taking on Boris Diaw and his contract is tremendously unappealing; and Jeremy Evans is a guy we don't think of as a "throw-in," as we believe he's got some potential as a reserve. And then we throw in a pick in one of the deepest drafts of all time for the privilege of having Diaw limit our options in free agency?

Not a very good deal for us, in my personal opinion.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm not trying to debate or argue, but I think the Jazz have too many young players, and adding another draft pick in this upcoming relatively weak draft for backcourt players wouldn't help their prospective future. I mean, the underwhelming Marquis Teague is considered the top PG in the 2012 NBA Draft and there's not a proven starting PG in the free-agency market that isn't 3 years away from retirement not named Raymond Felton. Not to mention, Devin Harris is under contract for another year after this season (just like Boris Diaw, but a tad more expensive). I don't know. Maybe I'm just reaching, but I was under the impression that Utah wanted to make a change in scenery.

[mrknowitall215]

(we had to overpay for Okur and Boozer, but those were big gets at the time).

Where are they now? and the keyword in there was 'overpay'.

[The59Sound]

(we had to overpay for Okur and Boozer, but those were big gets at the time).

Where are they now? and the keyword in there was 'overpay'.

Just because they're gone doesn't suddenly mean it was bad that they were ever here. We took our shot with that team, then disassembled it. That's just how it works in the NBA.

And we overpaid at the time they were signed, based on what they'd already accomplished. Both of them earned every penny of their contracts once they had them.

[The59Sound]

I'm not trying to debate or argue, but I think the Jazz have too many young players, and adding another draft pick in this upcoming relatively weak draft for backcourt players wouldn't help their prospective future. I mean, the underwhelming Marquis Teague is considered the top PG in the 2012 NBA Draft and there's not a proven starting PG in the free-agency market that isn't 3 years away from retirement not named Raymond Felton. Not to mention, Devin Harris is under contract for another year after this season (just like Boris Diaw, but a tad more expensive). I don't know. Maybe I'm just reaching, but I was under the impression that Utah wanted to make a change in scenery.

That's a weird thing to say. Is there a stipulation with the draft pick I don't know about that forces us to draft a point guard? Lot of good 3s in this draft, which is also an area of interest for us. And Harris isn't 90 years old. Re-signing him is an option in free agency.

As for Boris Diaw, I thought he had one more year on his contract than Harris. But regardless of his effect on cap space, I'm not particularly interested in that unmotivated prankster.

This just isn't a good fit for us.

[reapaman]

I'm not trying to debate or argue, but I think the Jazz have too many young players, and adding another draft pick in this upcoming relatively weak draft for backcourt players wouldn't help their prospective future. I mean, the underwhelming Marquis Teague is considered the top PG in the 2012 NBA Draft and there's not a proven starting PG in the free-agency market that isn't 3 years away from retirement not named Raymond Felton. Not to mention, Devin Harris is under contract for another year after this season (just like Boris Diaw, but a tad more expensive). I don't know. Maybe I'm just reaching, but I was under the impression that Utah wanted to make a change in scenery.

I would do that trade your suggesting without thinking twice. Anybody that thinks differently is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). That trade is pure robbery especially since Diaw is expiring. I love DJ and he was a clear notch better than Harris last year not to mention this year plus he's younger. Plus Evans will very likely not be with us much longer anyway and who knows if we would even get that GS pick with the way there playing. DJ is worth it imo.

I don't know why the cats would do that though because I love the dynamic of DJ starting and Kemba off the bench playing the Jason terry type role. Just my opinion tho.

[mrknowitall215]

I'm not trying to debate or argue, but I think the Jazz have too many young players, and adding another draft pick in this upcoming relatively weak draft for backcourt players wouldn't help their prospective future. I mean, the underwhelming Marquis Teague is considered the top PG in the 2012 NBA Draft and there's not a proven starting PG in the free-agency market that isn't 3 years away from retirement not named Raymond Felton. Not to mention, Devin Harris is under contract for another year after this season (just like Boris Diaw, but a tad more expensive). I don't know. Maybe I'm just reaching, but I was under the impression that Utah wanted to make a change in scenery.

That's a weird thing to say. Is there a stipulation with the draft pick I don't know about that forces us to draft a point guard? Lot of good 3s in this draft, which is also an area of interest for us. And Harris isn't 90 years old. Re-signing him is an option in free agency.

As for Boris Diaw, I thought he had one more year on his contract than Harris. But regardless of his effect on cap space, I'm not particularly interested in that unmotivated prankster.

This just isn't a good fit for us.

That's so unfair to Gordon Hayward whom I believe is the perfect fit in Utah. I'm well aware that he currently starts at SG, but he's really more of a SF. Alec Burks is the SG of the Jazz' future. It's not like my proposed trade is going to take away your lottery pick, just one of them.

[Soul Patch]

Actually, Hayward is starting at SF and he's more effective as a SG. Burks can play a Harden role in the future.

[The59Sound]

That's so unfair to Gordon Hayward whom I believe is the perfect fit in Utah. I'm well aware that he currently starts at SG, but he's really more of a SF. Alec Burks is the SG of the Jazz' future. It's not like my proposed trade is going to take away your lottery pick, just one of them.

Trust me, my friend: I'm all about Gordon Hayward. A few people actually accuse me of over-hyping him. But my compatriot in the post above this one is right: Hayward really is better at SG. He creates match-up problems for the opposing team and makes plays for everybody.

I don't mean any offense; I just don't think it's a good trade for us. There's a chance we don't even get our own pick this year.

[eLo]

My thoughts:

Your general premise about us not caring about cap space is wrong. We are definitely looking toward free agency, and have had somehow success in recent memory (we had to overpay for Okur and Boozer, but those were big gets at the time).

I like Augustin okay, but I don't think he's a clear notch above Harris; taking on Boris Diaw and his contract is tremendously unappealing; and Jeremy Evans is a guy we don't think of as a "throw-in," as we believe he's got some potential as a reserve. And then we throw in a pick in one of the deepest drafts of all time for the privilege of having Diaw limit our options in free agency?

Not a very good deal for us, in my personal opinion.

i think that this trade is bad but for Bobcats not for us, i dont get why they should agree for that, Diaw another season is doing everything on the floor, he may be overpaid but pleas he is not earning aKs money, plus he is expiring, and Augustin is playing this season really great in contrast to Harris

yet you want to still have harris in that team, thats really good one
As for Boris Diaw, I thought he had one more year on his contract than Harris. But regardless of his effect on cap space, I'm not particularly interested in that unmotivated prankster.

[eLo]

My thoughts:

Your general premise about us not caring about cap space is wrong. We are definitely looking toward free agency, and have had somehow success in recent memory (we had to overpay for Okur and Boozer, but those were big gets at the time).

I like Augustin okay, but I don't think he's a clear notch above Harris; taking on Boris Diaw and his contract is tremendously unappealing; and Jeremy Evans is a guy we don't think of as a "throw-in," as we believe he's got some potential as a reserve. And then we throw in a pick in one of the deepest drafts of all time for the privilege of having Diaw limit our options in free agency?

Not a very good deal for us, in my personal opinion.

i think that this trade is bad but for Bobcats not for us, i dont get why they should agree for that, Diaw another season is doing everything on the floor, he may be overpaid but pleas he is not earning aKs money, plus he is expiring, and Augustin is playing this season really great in contrast to Harris

As for Boris Diaw, I thought he had one more year on his contract than Harris. But regardless of his effect on cap space, I'm not particularly interested in that unmotivated prankster.

yet you want to still have harris in that team,who is earning more mo and have 2 year in his deal, thats really good one

[xenith]

utah:curry,biedrins
warriors:harris,kanter

[Xanthis]

utah:curry,biedrins
warriors:harris,kanter

Would love to have Curry, but I don't want Biedrins. Could be on to something, but I don't think the Jazz are going to trade away Kanter this year. Value here is definitley on the better end for Utah than GS, but Curry is hurt and I don't see how Biedrins fits in anymore.