LA Clippers @ Utah Jazz Game Thread 8:30 MT

Reckless · Post #241 » by **Reckless** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:15 am

I like how Big Al couldn't get his Big Ass out of the lane and just let Griffin drive up to the hoop and give him a and1. Classic Al low defensive IQ play. He fouls him earlier and this game is likely going into overtime.

jazzgasm · Post #242 » by **jazzgasm** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 11:24 am

I didn't get to watch a lot of the game last night. From what I saw though was sap getting called on an offensive foul when Blake clearly flopped on the play. I think jazz would of been tied and milsap shooting and 1.

Jazzfan Bayamon · Post #243 » by **Jazzfan Bayamon** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 1:59 pm

ut_jazz wrote:I like how Big Al couldn't get his Big Ass out of the lane and just let Griffin drive up to the hoop and give him a and1. Classic Al low defensive IQ play. He fouls him earlier and this game is likely going into overtime.

It was a 2 on 1 and behind Al was DeAndre, so if he went hard to Griffin to foul, he'd just thrown an easy alley-oop, he was caught in no man's land. Millsap was way late on that play.

4 key points:

- Hayward sat for too long in the 4th. No excuse there. :sigh:

- Missed 1,000 FTs. 3 T's on them, not 1 FT converted of the 3. :banghead:

- Only Al was rebounding the ball. Where was Millsap? :dontknow:

- The refs sucking Blakes dick on that late game flop. Should have been an and-1. :evil:

Xanthis · Post #244 » by **Xanthis** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 2:35 pm

I don't understand why everyone is saying Griffin flopped. The rule is if the defender is there first and you run him over its a charge. Griffin was there and Millsap tried to go through him and not around him.

schneiderjazz · Post #245 » by **schneiderjazz** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 3:40 pm

Xanthis wrote:I don't understand why everyone is saying Griffin flopped. The rule is if the defender is there first and you run him over its a charge. Griffin was there and Millsap tried to go through him and not around him.

While I understand what you're saying, I'm 5'11'', 150 pounds and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fall on the floor like I was hit by a truck by that weak ass bump Sap gave Blake.
Thought Al missed some wide open shots in the 3rd that he was making in the 1st half.
The 300 lobs and dunks in the 1st quarter were embarassing.
I was pretty impressed with Hayward's defense. He bothered Mo a lot. He can clearly defend SGs better than SFs. Hell, he might defend PGs better than SFs.
Favors showed some pretty nice moves this game. Him and Kanter dominated when they first got in, but then kinda disappeared. We need the young guys to get more consistent. Maybe more playing time will help.

Xanthis · Post #246 » by **Xanthis** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 4:05 pm

schneiderjazz wrote:
Xanthis wrote:I don't understand why everyone is saying Griffin flopped. The rule is if the defender is there first and you run him over its a charge. Griffin was there and Millsap tried to go through him and not around him.

While I understand what you're saying, I'm 5'11'', 150 pounds and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fall on the floor like I was hit by a truck by that weak ass bump Sap gave Blake.

The only reason you wouldn't fall is because you would shuffle your feet. With the restricted zone you have to setup outside and hold your ground. Griffin did and IMO it was a great play. I wish we would have won, but the Jazz have to play smarter in these types of games.

phrizzo · Post #247 » by **phrizzo** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 7:32 pm

Jazzfan Bayamon wrote:
ut_jazz wrote:I like how Big Al couldn't get his Big Ass out of the lane and just let Griffin drive up to the hoop and give him a and1. Classic Al low defensive IQ play. He fouls him earlier and this game is likely going into overtime.

It was a 2 on 1 and behind Al was DeAndre, so if he went hard to Griffin to foul, he'd just thrown an easy alley-oop, he was caught in no man's land. Millsap was way late on that play.

4 key points:

- Hayward sat for too long in the 4th. No excuse there.
- Missed 1,000 FTs. 3 T's on them, not 1 FT converted of the 3.
- Only Al was rebounding the ball. Where was Millsap?
- The refs sucking Blakes dick on that late game flop. Should have been an and-1.

It was a weak foul, but I think he would have been better off trying to take a charge. That way he either gets the charge, a block, or griffin passes it off for two points. That seems better than the three points he allowed.

schneiderjazz · Post #248 » by **schneiderjazz** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:12 pm

Xanthis wrote:
schneiderjazz wrote:
Xanthis wrote:I don't understand why everyone is saying Griffin flopped. The rule is if the defender is there first and you run him over its a charge. Griffin was there and Millsap tried to go through him and not around him.

While I understand what you're saying, I'm 5'11'', 150 pounds and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't fall on the floor like I was hit by a truck by that weak ass bump Sap gave Blake.

The only reason you wouldn't fall is because you would shuffle your feet. With the restricted zone you have to setup outside and hold your ground. Griffin did and IMO it was a great play. I wish we would have won, but the Jazz have to play smarter in these types of games.

I don't disagree. It was a good play. But, damn, it was ridiculous. He didn't hold his ground, he just fell down. He might have fallen even if Sap hadn't touched him.

BJSmiles · Post #249 » by **BJSmiles** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 8:53 pm

The same thing happened earlier in the game and they didn't call anything. It should have been a no call.

mct · Post #250 » by **mct** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 9:23 pm

BJSmiles wrote:The same thing happened earlier in the game and they didn't call anything. It should have been a no call.

I'm sure he whined enough about it the first time that the ref remembered to blow his whistle the next time. These players and coaches know they're laying the groundwork for future calls when they whine about current ones.

nguyenbalong · Post #251 » by **nguyenbalong** » Thu Feb 2, 2012 10:01 pm

taking a charge is one thing but falling ahead of time before the contact is flopping. He flopped lucky for him its the UTAH jazz so these calls are common the price of not having a superstar on the team other wise that basket would have gone in and a foul shot plus Griff would of been out of the game.

Post #252 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 2:10 am

Anyone catch this in realtime? Griffin appears to grab the rim simultaneous to blocking Hayward's layup attempt:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RxZ2nmaAI[/youtube]

Pretty sure you can't do that. I also like that there was a flop by Foye on the same play. It's everything the Clippers cheat well at: goaltending and flopping, all in one play. That's at least the third un-called goaltend on them this year.

BJSmiles · Post #253 » by **BJSmiles** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 7:23 am

HappyProle wrote:Anyone catch this in realtime? Griffin appears to grab the rim simultaneous to blocking Hayward's layup attempt:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-RxZ2nmaAI[/youtube]

Pretty sure you can't do that. I also like that there was a flop by Foye on the same play. It's everything the Clippers cheat well at: goaltending and flopping, all in one play. That's at least the third un-called goaltend on them this year.

I saw that in real time. It's what I was referring to when I mentioned a couple of huge missed calls. How 3 referees missed this is beyond me. Guess they were caught up in the moment... :roll:

Reckless · Post #254 » by **Reckless** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 10:29 am

Jazzfan Bayamon wrote:It was a 2 on 1 and behind Al was DeAndre, so if he went hard to Griffin to foul, he'd just thrown an easy alley-oop, he was caught in no man's land. Millsap was way late on that play.

Looking back you are correct, i admit i was wrong.

there are 3 jazz players guarding 1 player on the in-bound. leaving griffin open to drive to the hoop and get a and1. not big al's fault at all.

BJSmiles · Post #255 » by **BJSmiles** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 6:58 pm

It's not completely his fault, but I am still bothered that he didn't close out hard on Griffin and prevent the +1. Make him shoot free throws, or only give up 2 points to Jordan. It would have dramatically changed the possible outcome of the game.

Post #256 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 8:26 pm

BJSmiles wrote:It's not completely his fault, but I am still bothered that he didn't close out hard on Griffin and prevent the +1. Make him shoot free throws, or only give up 2 points to Jordan. It would have dramatically changed the possible outcome of the game.

Al did everything right except putting a hard foul on him. He denied Griffin the pass and stayed between him and the basket. He just couldn't foul him hard enough with those CJ Miles arms of his.