GSW trying to get their pick back?!

Litany · Post #21 » by **Litany** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:42 am

What a joke of an article. Lol. Wouldn't have to give up a core player and would package three picks that can be bought for cash for a lottery pick in this awesome draft. (late firsts and second rounders can be bought for cash).

Some suggest it would just delay when we get the pick by a few years but why would we do that? With Curry, Bogut, Lee, Klay, and their Prospect this year, say PJ3 they will be a much better team, possibly an 8th seed next year.

So instead of us getting a high lottery pick(8th) we get a 14-18 pick? That makes sense to who?

The article also said we already have a lot of young players too. So? Lol. The high pick here is a more valuable asset in the player we get or in a trade than it would be say next year or the year after when they are a better team.

Very odd.

Good luck with that Lacob.

Lmao.

DeadlyTreeStump · Post #22 » by **DeadlyTreeStump** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:02 am

What bugs me is... why aren't there any rumors about the Warriors talking to other teams getting picks in the same range as well? Why does it have to be their own pick back? I think the only reasons for that would be:

1 - Postponing the pick as mentioned before
2 - Pride

If it's the reason number two, they might very well do something stupid to get the pick back.

Jazz_Man_86 · Post #23 » by **Jazz_Man_86** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:12 pm

If we make playoffs. Minni takes our pick. So. Why we need to sell pick back to GSW?

I sure it will be from 4-7 range. I this deep draft we can make real steal.

Jefff · Post #24 » by **Jefff** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:16 pm

the value of this pick is a bit greater for utah than others team, because, there's a risk that Utah won't get it (top 7 protected this year) that keeps other teams concerned; arguably, the warriors are offering SA pick this year (assuming 27 overall) and their 2013 pick (assuming 10-20); nobody will accept this swap (especially considering this year's class of draftees and next one), but Utah can consider it for some reasons. 1) we aren't sure to take the pick (GS can still tank the season) 2) we already have a young core of players, so we don't need so bad a pick this year 3) we can gamble on next year by GS, hoping their 2013 pick will be in the lottery.

Still, i'd say no, but it's more tempting for Utah than for the others team.

Jefff · Post #25 » by **Jefff** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:23 pm

GS can also throw in the New Jersey second round pick (34 overall)

UTJazzFan_Echo1 · Post #26 » by **UTJazzFan_Echo1** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:47 pm

I'm not interested in changing the protection of the pick unless it becomes unprotected.

Andrew801 · Post #27 » by **Andrew801** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:41 pm

UTJazzFan_Echo1 wrote:I'm not interested in changing the protection of the pick unless it becomes unprotected.

Agreed!

finnegan · Post #28 » by **finnegan** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:49 pm

DeadlyTreeStump wrote:What bugs me is... why aren't there any rumors about the Warriors talking to other teams getting picks in the same range as well? Why does it have to be their own pick back?

The reason is pretty clear. They can control the outcome of their pick and they cannot control any other lottery pick. The very real threat is that they are going to tanke to get their pick back.

I hope the Jazz stand their ground, but that's just me.

It makes me loose respect for the GSW owner. Makes him look desperate and acting like a weasel to try and force the Jazz to give the pick back. San Antonio would never do something like that, because they are classy!

finnegan · Post #29 » by **finnegan** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:50 pm

countrybama24 wrote:The more trades with the warriors the better. They seem to lose out on everyone of them.

I thought the GSW was the clear winner on the Bogut/Ellis trade!

Post #30 » by **floppymoose** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:51 pm

finnegan wrote:Makes him look desperate and acting like a weasel to try and force the Jazz to give the pick back.

Wait, wut?

The59Sound · Post #31 » by **The59Sound** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:33 pm

It's not like the pick is locked in Kevin O'Connor's drawer and they're breaking in to steal it.

Jazzy13 · Post #32 » by **Jazzy13** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:46 pm

floppymoose wrote:
finnegan wrote:Makes him look desperate and acting like a weasel to try and force the Jazz to give the pick back.

Wait, wut?

Yea...Im not quite getting this one myself either. :dontknow:

finnegan · Post #33 » by **finnegan** » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:59 pm

floppymoose wrote:
finnegan wrote:Makes him look desperate and acting like a weasel to try and force the Jazz to give the pick back.

Wait, wut?

I may be reading too much into the low ball offer from GSW ( i.e. San Antonio Pick and 2 second rounders), but here is how I interpreted Joe Lacob's statement when he said “We think we can get our pick back”.

"If the Jazz don't give us back our pick then we are just going to tank this season, so we will get it back one way or the other."

If my interpretation is correct, then I think that speaks poorly of Joe Lacob!

GSW has almost nothing to offer that would be comensurate with the value of a lottery pick in the 8-10 range, that they would actually be willing to give up. So my question for floppymoose is -- With the confidence that Joe Lacob is expressing in getting the pick back, how can the situation be interpreted any other way?

Lava Rock Kid · Post #34 » by **Lava Rock Kid** » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:04 am

Mabey they can sign Dwill and trade him back to us for the pick.

finnegan · Post #35 » by **finnegan** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:32 am

Looks like this guy agrees with me! What an article.

Imagine hearing that, after months and months of Chris Paul rumors and Dwight Howard rumors and "PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS! PLAYOFFS!" rhetoric, your team just abruptly told you, "Oh, by the way, we're going to tank the rest of this season because we don't want to be haunted by a stupid trade from four years ago, but seriously, thanks for paying for season tickets this year."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/771 ... easy-steps

Post #36 » by **floppymoose** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:09 am

finnegan wrote:"If the Jazz don't give us back our pick then we are just going to tank this season, so we will get it back one way or the other."

If my interpretation is correct, then I think that speaks poorly of Joe Lacob!

I've seen no evidence that the team is tanking. They are certainly losing a lot now that their two best offensive threats are either hurt (Curry) or traded (Monta), and best defensive player is traded (Udoh). But you can't knock the trade - it's one the Warriors had to make to win in the future.

But even if they were intentionally losing games, that doesn't force the Jazz to do anything. You have the pick for multiple years. Unless Curry and Bogut stay broken, you would just get the pick the following year. Lacob can't force the Jazz to do anything.

Post #37 » by **StocktonShorts** » Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:32 pm

Like I said in the other thread, I think this is just an owner trying to placate his very unhappy fan-base.

AZ-Jazzy · Post #38 » by **AZ-Jazzy** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:02 pm

I can see some real feasibility as to why KOC might consider doing that deal. Things to consider..
Even tho this draft is considered a very deep draft. It is top heavy with the bigs, then its been said that from about #12 thru the first round it's still deep, but very comparable.
Looking at the mock draft boards, I can't see anybody there in the 8-10 position that would be more favorable or have more upside than any of the Jazz youngsters, (Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks).
The one position that the Jazz are thin (or void) at for young talent is the PG position. That is the position that this draft is the very weakest. Now here, I'm biased. Being from the Ogden area, and an alum of Weber State, I'd love to see Damian Lillard. But, I'm sure the Jazz have heavily scouted him, and do they feel that he has more upside than say Teague or Kabongo or Worten, who they could possibly get with a late first or early second round pick??
This would also give the Jazz a couple of 2nd round picks (Unguaranteed contracts) to play around with.
If the Jazz make the playoffs, which it looks like they will at this point. They lose their pick this year.
Then next year they will have not only their pick and GSW's pick which may or may not fall in the lottery. Then the drama begins again. I love it!!!
I highly respect KOC, and unless he has something better in mind, I can see a deal like this happening.
As it's being said throughout the Jazz organization, KOC has put together alot of assets and it's really going to be interesting to see just what happens after the lottery, the draft, and the beginning of the next season.

Ming Kong! · Post #39 » by **Ming Kong!** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:17 pm

I don't know, I don't think that the Warriors will get their pick. With four less losses than the Kings, they have a big lead on the #7 (worst) team. Their lottery chances are very low to climb into the top 3 too, so it looks like they are going to stay put between 8-10. We have a nice pick in our hands. I rather hold on to it. We might get a better offer closer to draft day anyways.

AZ-Jazzy · Post #40 » by **AZ-Jazzy** » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:43 pm

Just by Lacob's statement, I think maybe he has approached KOC about this. KOC's reply when asked was a typical "No Comment". Then again, none of us really know just what may have been proposed.
Obviously, there won't be any action on this until after the lottery. It's going to sit in limbo until then anyway. But from the way I look at it, if the Jazz do get the pick, and are able to package it with something else to move up into maybe the top five, or maybe package it into something else. I have to think that just maybe KOC might look at doing it.
I'm a Jazz homer, like most everyone else on this board. I think if all the youngsters (Kanter, Favors, Hayward, and Burks) were in this draft this year, even with it being a deep draft. I think there is a high possibility that they'd all fall somewhere in the lottery. With that being said, and the weak PG possibility. I'd have to say that anything in the 8-10 range would end up being a good backup looking for minutes behind our young kids who are in that same boat this year.
Just saying, LOL, we never know just what KOC has up his sleeve.