Knight vs Kanter

[ColdBlue]

We had a thread mid-season and it was all Kanter. I wonder where we stand now.

[Soul Patch]

Kanter, he's shown a hell of a lot for a 19 year old kid that didn't get to play any college ball. He seems to be a good fit alongside Favors. They both need to work on helping each other on defense. Individually, his post defense is good and so is his pick and roll defense. He has a post game and range on his jump shot. I think it's a matter of getting comfortable and picking his spots better. Knight will be the better player for the next year or two but kanter is a project and should be treated and judged as such.

[red4hf]

I'd still go with Kanter...... KNight has been very good, but but if you get a chance to get a great big, you take it......

[HolyToledo]

Knight is not the answer for the Jazz at PG. I dont like shoot first PG. Kanter has more value for the Jazz as a trade asset or simply keep him and develop him.

[Xsy]

Rookie guards always have more impressive seasons than rookie bigs.

Even though Knight has clearly been playing better, its just how it works. We've still got a long way to go.

[Jefff]

knight is a more refined player, but kanter has a way bigger upside. Not to mention that knight plays on a team that can leave a lot of time for rookies

[UTJazzFan_Echo1]

Kanter and it's not even close.

I would still take Kemba and Jimmer over Knight.

[reapaman]

I must have missed the last thread because I would've went knight and still going with him all the way.

While I'm at it, I am tired of what sounds like an excuse of him not playing college ball and what not. Kanter is no more at a disadvantaged than a 18 y/o howard was coming out of high school. Kanter participated in kentucky practices which is when you really get better not games, he played in the euro tournament, and he played in alot of other preseason activities with other pros that kept him in shape. He also doesn't get half the defensive attention Dwight did and is stronger than dwight was at that point. He has no excuses.

Dwight was able to come in and shoot above 50% while being one of the primary focus for defenses. Kanter has been shooting under 50% all year and was threading close to the low 40's until corbin started reducing his minutes and giving him less oppurtunites to shoot. And this is on primarily garbage buckets with little defensive attention. Theres no excuse for his 47% FG, none.

Bargs is a great post defender and is called a bad defender for a reason like Kanter will be over time. The problem is that there are only like 5 primarily post player in this league, so if your not great at help and perimeter defense like Noah is than it doesn't matter much. Besides rebounding kanter doesn't do anything impressive but I'll leave it at that. Knight meanwhile is playing really well despite supposedly not being quick enough and his 3 point shooting has translated to the nba despite certain people before the draft saying it wouldn't.

[Neon Black]

I must have missed the last thread because I would've went knight and still going with him all the way.

While I'm at it, I am tired of what sounds like an excuse of him not playing college ball and what not. Kanter is no more at a disadvantaged than a 18 y/o howard was coming out of high school. Kanter participated in kentucky practices which is when you really get better not games, he played in the euro tournament, and he played in alot of other preseason activities with other pros that kept him in shape. He also doesn't get half the defensive attention Dwight did and is stronger than dwight was at that point. He has no excuses.

Dwight was able to come in and shoot above 50% while being one of the primary focus for defenses. Kanter has been shooting under 50% all year and was threading close to the low 40's until corbin started reducing his minutes and giving him less oppurtunites to shoot. And this is on primarily garbage buckets with little defensive attention. Theres no excuse for his 47% FG, none.

Bargs is a great post defender and is called a bad defender for a reason like Kanter will be over time. The problem is that there are only like 5 primarily post player in this league, so if your not great at help and perimeter defense like Noah is than it doesn't matter much. Besides rebounding kanter doesn't do anything impressive but I'll leave it at that. Knight meanwhile is playing really well despite supposedly not being quick enough and his 3 point shooting has translated to the nba despite certain people before the draft saying it wouldn't.

So because Kanter isn't as good as Dwight his rookie season, he's not going to bet that good. Got it. Then that goes for Favors to. And Andrew Bynum, and a whole slew of other players that are and will do just fine.

I get that some people look at Kanter and just don't see the potential. I don't understand it, but that's the way it is. When I watch him I see the makings of a force down low. Only time will tell, but in the meantime it's pretty ridiculous to judge him based on this or that guy. No two players are remotely the same, nor are they coming from the same place.

[reapaman]

So because Kanter isn't as good as Dwight his rookie season, he's not going to bet that good. Got it. Then that goes for Favors to. And Andrew Bynum, and a whole slew of other players that are and will do just fine.

I get that some people look at Kanter and just don't see the potential. I don't understand it, but that's the way it is. When I watch him I see the makings of a force down low. Only time will tell, but in the meantime it's pretty ridiculous to judge him based on this or that guy. No two players are remotely the same, nor are they coming from the same place.

No, I was strickly talking from the stand point that people were acting like he was at some disadvantage over other rookies which is entirely un-true. Favors shot above 50% his rookie season so no I didn't mean it like that.

And its not that some don't see the potential. Its just that some people are being realistic on what and how long it takes to reach that potential for a big man. Favors gets slightly more defensive attention than last year and its reflected based on his shooting numbers going down despite improving everywhere else. Look at Hawes, he's in his 5th season and finally showing signs of being at least a decent player and still has a long way to go. Dwight just now learning how to score without relying solely on athletism and Bynum just started putting together this season. I can go on and on. Its takes a long time for a raw big man to learn how to score in the NBA if they ever learn.

This is a guy who is already shooing 47% with little defensive attention and getting many wide open shots. Next year it may be 45% with more defensive attention. He's gonna take extra long to develop and you really think with the Jazz's recent history that they are gonna be that patient with him. Theres a reason so few raw bigman stay with there original teams. Some of you are under-estimating how much patience and time its gonna take for this potential to be realized.

[Reckless]

Knight is scoring but he's shooting piss poorly just 41%. Compare that to Kyrie irving who is shooting 46% at a higher scoring rate. Difference between no.1 and no.2 pg's in that draft is pretty apparent already. Basically the jazz weren't wrong for going big instead of taking Knight. Kanter just needs the playing time.