1 step forward, two steps back

Lava Rock Kid · Post #1 » by **Lava Rock Kid** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:10 pm

The lakers have picked up Jamison, Nash and now looks like they are getting dwight for Bynum.

I dont know about you all, but I am getting sick of this. I cant wait for the next lockout. However I think the hard cap will be the hardest thing to do because none of the players will do it, and half of the owners wont do it.

Todays system just makes it tougher on small markets to go over the cap. Big markets wont be hurt even if it was a 10 dollars per dollar that is over.

I wish the small market teams would do a hold out untill they get a hard cap. Let the lakers play dallas all year long.

Amish Mafioso · Post #2 » by **Amish Mafioso** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:25 pm

Just a suggestion, but before you just repeat stuff you read on the internet, do a little research and find out whether or not there is any truth to it. In this case, many of the new CBA rules don't even kick in until next year. The deal LA made for Nash will be against the rules by next year, and you can already see decisions being made by teams like Dallas and NY, that are a direct result of the new CBA rules.

There will always be vets who sign for the minimum to chase a ring, but the new CBA has made a lot of progress in changing things. We are seeing some of the results now, even before many of the new rules kick in.

Just remember, all of these rules are a double-edged sword. In a few years, some of the same rules used to keep the heavy hitters in check, will also hinder Utah as well. Careful what you wish for.

HolyToledo · Post #3 » by **HolyToledo** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:14 pm

I dont want Nash or Jamison and Kobe is done...Howard would help them a lot but Lakers as currently rostered are a 4-5 th seed. There is not enough geritol in LA for these guys to survive a 82 game season. Of course, if they get Howard then they are contenders but if the Jazz traded for Howard for one year then the Jazz would be contenders as well. A team has to decide at some point that developing young guys and maing the playoffs is not good enough. The Jazz front office had never went for it! The Stockton/Malone runs were bc the team got extremely lucky and drafted one of the best PGs and PFs in league history.

red4hf · Post #4 » by **red4hf** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:21 pm

I keep pointing to what happened when Malone and Payton went ring-chasing with the Lakers.......

SoCalJazzFan · Post #5 » by **SoCalJazzFan** » Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:41 pm

Although the CBA penalties don't kick in for a year, I have been surprised by the contracts given out the past few weeks.

When you consider that the Lakers recently signed a 20 yr $3billion dollar tv contract (about $150M per year), they could literally have a team salary of $90M and their own tv contract could pay the annual team salary. This woud not include tix, merchandising, NBA shared tv revenue, etc.

The Nets owner could take the same approach (and seems to be doing so) as being the best team in NYC will net a large tv contract, and fill the stadium too.

For the uber rich, a few hundred million dollars isn't that much. For example, Oracle's Ellison ($36 billionaire) recently bought a Hawaiin island for nearly $600M. I read that this is equivalent to a millionaire buying a used Chevy Impala.

Time will tell, but maybe the majority of the owners should have held out for a hard cap.

MeestR · Post #6 » by **MeestR** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 2:42 am

red4hf wrote:I keep pointing to what happened when Malone and Payton went ring-chasing with the Lakers.......

though payton did eventually get his

erudite23 · Post #7 » by **erudite23** » Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:00 am

Money is not the issue here. You will never fix stars like Dwight wanting to play in bigger markets. Its part of the allure of the NBA.

A better solution would be to abolish the max salary thing. If not for that, the Heat would never have happened. And neither could a Kobe/Dwight pairing. Max contracts is one of the worst ideas in sports history, and it is directly responsible for some of these 'super teams'.

MeestR · Post #8 » by **MeestR** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:31 am

erudite23 wrote:Money is not the issue here. You will never fix stars like Dwight wanting to play in bigger markets. Its part of the allure of the NBA.

A better solution would be to abolish the max salary thing. If not for that, the Heat would never have happened. And neither could a Kobe/Dwight pairing. Max contracts is one of the worst ideas in sports history, and it is directly responsible for some of these 'super teams'.

only a min salary. no max salary. but a hard cap.

Post #9 » by **StocktonShorts** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:11 am

The Heatles all took less than max money to play together in Miami. I'm not sure that situation would've been any different if there was no maximum. Cleveland would've been paying LeBron $30M/year, which would've further hamstrung their efforts to build a contender. Furthermore, once his Cleveland contract was up, he'd have even more money in the bank, making a move to Miami to play for less even easier financially.

Lava Rock Kid · Post #10 » by **Lava Rock Kid** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:24 am

abolishing the max salary would not work. Utah cant honestly spend much more on max salaries than they do now. So say LA gives Chris Paul 100 mil a year, than how is Utah gonna keep Deron Wiliams at 20 mil ayear. That would be a horible idea.

If their was a max cap, than Miami would of had to expect the stars to accecpt less so they could fill a roster of 1 mil contracts.

If your team is over the cap you can stil spend the 5 mil execption every year. When was the last time Utah used the 5 mil execption?