QuantumMacgyver wrote:People please if you gonna respond to someone responding to you please put something in your response that has something to do with the previous response.
You said it takes players 5+ years to develop, and I quote "true realible offensvie skills'. If a player is averaging 15+ points a night, I would say they have some "true realible offensvie skills". And if you had read my response, which you obviously didn't, you would've seen the note in the parenthesis explaining EXACTLY why I mentioned Jermaine O'Neal... because he is the ONLY center in league to take 5+ years to develop reliable offensive skills. Everyone else either developed them earlier than 5 years, or never developed them at all.
P.S. You still have yet to show any type of proof to support your ludicrous 5+ years theory. It doesn't take players 5+ years to develop true offensive reliable skills. You should change the bogus 5+ years BS to something like "the difference between GOOD players and GREAT players is that GREAT players find ways to ADD ADDITIONAL skills to their skillset beyond their first five years". That makes total sense.
And the claim that all those centers scored in the NBA the same way they scored at previous levels is ridiculous. If that were the case then everyone of them would've come into the league scoring 15+ a night. However, most didn't do it until, guess what, their THIRD season! Which might lead one to believe that most big men develop reliable offensive skills after 3+ years, not 5+. If you want to stick with the insane 5+ years theory, just please find examples to back it up. Find players who didn't have any reliable offensive skills before their fifth year and then had them after. I'll make it easy for ya again. I went out and found the example for you. His name is Jermaine O'Neal... and he is the only one in the league.
Yes thats exactly what I said. I never said you can't come into the league with one like elite athletism ala dwight or Big Al's post moves they both came into the NBA with. Iv'e been saying this for over a year now. When a guy gets to the NBA, for whatever reason when a guy is trying to develop a skill like post moves or a jump shot, it takes the about 5+ years for it to become relaible. Dwight has tried his hardest to learn post skill and even had Ewing helping him yet it took him 5 - 6 years (for some reason its a debate on when he greatly expanded his offensive game) to really extend beyond put back, dunks and that weak unrealiable hook shot he had. Griffin has been trying to expand his game and its coming on very slowly, in about a few more years then you may see a huge difference. Rose and James try their hardest to become better shooters and they still got a ways to go. Took Garnett about 5+ years to get those turn around jumpers and other post moves he tryed hard to develop. Took even the great MJ forever to develop his shot mainly the 3 point shot. Mabey its because he was hurt alot which stunted his growth but it took about 5 years for Bynums post moves to really come realible and he still has some work to do based on last season's playoffs. It took Big Al like 8 -9 years to learn how to pass the ball (ok that was a joke .... kinda). So on and so forth.
Don't put words in my mouth. I know exactly what I'm saying. Kanter has zero true realible offensive skills and its gonna take him 5+ years to develop one. And to your point about guys coming into the league as 15+ scorer and not till yer 3. Most of those guys just don't get the mintues or oppurtunties to do it due to a variety of reasons. But the main reason is like I said, most gotta make minor adjustments to their games and get used to the increased level of play. That could take a couple or so sure, but not much longer. The point I was making for the last year is that its not gonna be 2 or 3 (this was before he got drafted) for him to really come together offensively ala someone like garnett, its gonna be like 5-7 years at the least if ever. Theres a different between adjusting a skill youve been doing on a consistent basis during pre-NBA time to fit the NBA level versus learning a new skill from that you haven't been doing on a consistent basis during your pre-NBA time. And just to make sure we are on the same page, a reliable skill could be anything like eltie athletism (can't learn that), a post move (high or low), a jump shot, slashing to the basket, ect...
BTW Jermaine oneil didn't take 5 years to develop. If you saw him in Portland, it was injuries and a lot of verteran front court guys ahead of him that took playing time from him. He really didn't do much different by the time he got to Indiana, he just got more shots and playing time thats all.
