Alec Burks, what's up with him?

[samwana]

Question from a Bulls fan: can you guys tell me why Burks is not playing? I was interested in him at draft time and he seemed to do well at the end of last season. What happened to him? He gets a lot of DNP's is he a cancer or hurt or what's up with him?

[QuantumMacgyver]

Unfortunately he has a potentially career ending injury that very few people know of. Apparently he has pretty bad Corbinitis in both knees and his lower back. It's truly a shame to see such a young talent lost to such an easily curable ailment. Doctors could remove the Corbinitis, but unfortunately it's fairly expensive, and they would have to admit that Corbinitis is indeed a legitimate problem. Something I don't see the Jazz doctors ever doing. It's actually the same ailment that has hamstrung the careers of both Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter.

[reapaman]

Question from a Bulls fan: can you guys tell me why Burks is not playing? I was interested in him at draft time and he seemed to do well at the end of last season. What happened to him? He gets a lot of DNP's is he a cancer or hurt or what's up with him?

Well the real reason is because our FO wants to "win now" (as in make the playoffs) and he's not a "win now" type of player at the moment. He needs more development but the FO doesn't care about that, they just wanna win games so the corbin doesn't play him because of that.

[StocktonShorts]

Randy Foye has compromising pictures of Ty Corbin and Raja Bell.

Alec Burks does not.

[reapaman]

Unfortunately he has a potentially career ending injury that very few people know of. Apparently he has pretty bad Corbinitis in both knees and his lower back. It's truly a shame to see such a young talent lost to such an easily curable ailment. Doctors could remove the Corbinitis, but unfortunately it's fairly expensive, and they would have to admit that Corbinitis is indeed a legitimate problem. Something I don't see the Jazz doctors ever doing. It's actually the same ailment that has hamstrung the careers of both Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter.

Anybody remember this quote after I said Burks will be the odd man out due to KOC signing Foye.

No matter how you slice it, Burks is the first guard off the bench. And the Jazz have talked about getting him some minutes at PG.

Neither of those things happened and you can blame KOC for that as I said.

[HolyToledo12]

Our GM adds talent to support our bench but Corbin decides the bench talent should start leaving no time or nominal time for the really talented players. As stated above Corbinitis!

[reapaman]

Our GM adds talent to support our bench but Corbin decides the bench talent should start leaving no time or nominal time for the really talented players. As stated above Corbinitis!

No thats based on your logic which as I stated you guys are constantly wrong using your logic. Plus no one but me was saying in the off-season burks was gonna have problem getting minutes so blaming it on corbin now is flip flopping. Stop flip flopping and take ownage of your wrongness.

[StocktonShorts]

In all seriousness, I think it's pretty easy to defend Corbin when it comes to not playing Burks, as Alec hasn't shown any reason he should be on the floor over Foye/Hayward/Carroll/Tinsley.

Clearly Corbin has been told the priority is to make the playoffs and the team's philosophy is that player development will come naturally in the pursuit of winning. You can argue with that philosophy, but you can't put it all on Corbin.

Having said that, I can't defend Corbin's decision to start Millsap and Foye, since I think playing Favors and Hayward/carroll more makes the Jazz better right now.

[reapaman]

But do you actually think corbin has a real choice to start Favors over Millsap. I don't I think its not an option, Millsap must start. I believe he feel he has no choice but to start Jefferson, Millsap and Mo. Then marvin is the easy choice to start at SF since he's more of a "win now" guy than carroll is. So then that leaves Hayward, Foye, or Burks to start at Sg. Well Hayward plays best off the bench and Foye is better for "winning now" than Burks so the easy choice to start at sg is Foye.

I honestly believe the starter kinda fell into place naturally and corbin didn't do much picking and choosing. I think the same thing can be said for the minutes since he can't justify playing Millsap or Jefferson under 30 minutes which doesn't leave alot of room to increase both Favors and Kanters minutes. Then Foye is at least a 25 mpg type of guy, so is marvin, hayward, ect... Basically I think people are wrongly critizing corbin when his hands are tied in most of the lineup situation.

[StocktonShorts]

But do you actually think corbin has a real choice to start Favors over Millsap. I don't I think its not an option, Millsap must start. I believe he feel he has no choice but to start Jefferson, Millsap and Mo. Then marvin is the easy choice to start at SF since he's more of a "win now" guy than carroll is. So then that leaves Hayward, Foye, or Burks to start at Sg. Well Hayward plays best off the bench and Foye is better for "winning now" than Burks so the easy choice to start at sg is Foye.

I honestly believe the starter kinda fell into place naturally and corbin didn't do much picking and choosing. I think the same thing can be said for the minutes since he can't justify playing Millsap or Jefferson under 30 minutes which doesn't leave alot of room to increase both Favors and Kanters minutes. Then Foye is at least a 25 mpg type of guy, so is marvin, hayward, ect... Basically I think people are wrongly critizing corbin when his hands are tied in most of the lineup situation.

I quite simply don't understand why you think Corbin's hands are tied. You make it sound like the FO has dictated to him who the starters will be.

I do think Corbin has a choice. Remember last year? He started Favors going into the season then backtracked at the first sign of trouble. If he wanted to start Mo, Hayward, Carroll, Favors and Jefferson I don't think the front office would bat an eyelash.

If he started Watson, Burks, Murphy, Evans and Kanter then they might question his sanity...

[kebutah]

Other than in this forum the coach gets blamed for coaching decisions. If he isn't enough of a coach to make his own decisions we need another coach.

[reapaman]

Not dictate, influence. His hands may not be literally tied but if the FO saying "win now" then what do you do? Do you play whoever you want or do you ride it until the wheels fall off with the vets who have more experience in winning games? Pulling and rotation guys based on how their playing sounds like a good idea if you disregard chemistry and conistency which a good coach would never do which is why they pick a starting line up and stick with them no matter what. And the Favors start was way before we were in "win now" mode and most coaches bench young guys when they suck as bad as favors did so thats nothing new.

But using that logic is how many people came to the conclusion that I was wrong in stating that burks would be virtually pushed out the line up since corbin played him 16 mpg last year. The people blaming corbin was saying that Favors minutes were get a huge increase and he was gonna start, burks mins will be fine, foye/burks will play some pg, ect... and they were wrong. So they try to make up some reason its happening and its easy to blame the coach but its not that simple.

BTW Hayward doesn't play well with MO and Jefferson, same way manu sometimes struggles to get going when playing with timmy and parker which is why pop started bringing him off the bench. Carroll is an energy guy that best in limited minutes against second units. And I still have huge issues with Favors which is why I said in the off-season he would and should not start yet, which he currently isn't starting so ..... Sometimes to understand what corbin is doing, you gotta think like a coach not a fan. Most fans complain about their team's coach (except mabey spurs and celtics fans), even the thunder fans complain non stop about brooks and they are 20 - 4. Most coaches do not think like fans which may be why they are coaches and the fans are not yet the fans always complain about what the coach does.

[Blackie]

I think Burks would make a great point guard and have always thought so. He is so good at driving to the basket and getting fouled or passing to someone who is open. Apparently, Corbin doesn't see what I see. We have three point guards so Corbin will never give him a chance,

[QuantumMacgyver]

Unfortunately he has a potentially career ending injury that very few people know of. Apparently he has pretty bad Corbinitis in both knees and his lower back. It's truly a shame to see such a young talent lost to such an easily curable ailment. Doctors could remove the Corbinitis, but unfortunately it's fairly expensive, and they would have to admit that Corbinitis is indeed a legitimate problem. Something I don't see the Jazz doctors ever doing. It's actually the same ailment that has hamstrung the careers of both Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter.

Anybody remember this quote after I said Burks will be the odd man out due to KOC signing Foye.

No matter how you slice it, Burks is the first guard off the bench. And the Jazz have talked about getting him some minutes at PG.

Neither of those things happened and you can blame KOC for that as I said.

Yup, no matter how you slice it, I was totally wrong. However, I wouldn't blame KOC over Corbin. KOC's job is to ge the best pieces he can. Corbin's job is to win games. I don't think Corbin has shown much this year. Really frustrating that we'll be down by 20 and Burks doesn't see minutes until the 2 minute mark. Mostly though, I hate watching this team as we NEVER run plays! Ok, never is an overstatement, but seriously, 80% of our plays are Mo dribbling around in ISO or Big Al on the block. No screens, curls, picks, cuts. Nothing.

[reapaman]

Well thats on MO. Doc rivers even said himself that most of the time they dont "run plays", he just lets rondo go and do his thing. Mo's thing is to keep dribbling and hope something happens before the clock runs out. I mean remember when Carlos Arroyo and Keith freakin mcleod were running things, that offense didn't resemble anything close to the offense that was ran with stockton or deron. If your point guard is not a good playmaker then those things won't happen and Mo is a terrible playmaker. Mo does motion anyone to make a pick, he constantly miss guys that try to cut to the basket, ect .... Horrible

Well Corbin is winning. I mean yea you may believe he can do better buts that subjective. Plus if KOC cared about the younger guys getting minutes then he wouldn't have added more veterans and trade their current veterans. I mean he got veterans who are use to playing 20 + mins for a reason and that reason was not take a back seat or being on equal terms with burks or whatever youngin. And burks not playing in blowouts is nitpicking since I don't consider playing against a team who usual has virtually quit at that point good practice for burks.

[Nate505]

Question from a Bulls fan: can you guys tell me why Burks is not playing? I was interested in him at draft time and he seemed to do well at the end of last season. What happened to him? He gets a lot of DNP's is he a cancer or hurt or what's up with him?

We have a head coach who is an idiot.

[samwana]

I thought Burks was a SG? It sounds like you guys think he is a PG first, but he doesn't really have much assists, can he find an open man? Can he hit a mid-range shot or a 3pt-shot?

Wow you guys are p*****d off about your coach, but I can understand, you have all those guys on the bench with a lot of potential and the soon-gone vets are taking all the minutes. Frustrating.

[Nate505]

Can't wait to see Burks rot on the bench unless the Jazz are up/down by 30 again. The vets gots to get their minutes yo!